I have contributed to 'social security' for about 40 years now........

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

'Bout time we tended our own soil.

If this nation tended to our own needs........
We could be the strongest nation in the world.
Could attend to all our stricken.

The tax base is there. Yes, get the rich for their money........it has been done before,........

Don't those who have lived off of the fat of this land deserve to now give up to those who have not?

And I am not talking about welfare bitches and those who shall not contribute to the system.

It's about time.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

How much of this is down to Obama personally? How much of it is the policy of the party he leads, using him as a mouthpiece?

I believe that Obama is the greatest threat to this nation ever.
I believe the that he has a real threat to this country as we know it ever posed since it's inception.
Call me an alarmist....call me anything you want to.

Obama another time around simply shall bring this country down. As his muslim background dictates he would.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

If I could answer that I'd be World President!

Most of this unrest is because of the world financial recession, if that can be dealt with, the general fedup-ness might start to go away.

Only a full out revolt and overthrow of our government might set things right. We did it once, we might have to do it again.

We have the same feelings over the pond, with the Unions threatening the first General Strike in decades. But Civil unrest is never the answer ....

So, dammit, Chris........

It is the court of last resort, I give you.

But what do we, the people, do.......
When our best weapon, the vote, fails us?

As you rightly stated earlier, the best "weapon" we have is our Freedom of Speech; to share our ideas and hopefully change people's minds through (preferably) intellectual discourse.

Voting is largely a symbolic waste of time. Popular/majority vote doesn't mean right or wrong (e.g. segregation laws, sexual orientation discrimination laws). Popular vote simply shows what the current populace is thinking.

Only a full out revolt and overthrow of our government might set things right. We did it once, we might have to do it again.

We have the same feelings over the pond, with the Unions threatening the first General Strike in decades. But Civil unrest is never the answer ....

So, dammit, Chris........

It is the court of last resort, I give you.

But what do we, the people, do.......
When our best weapon, the vote, fails us?

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

Only a full out revolt and overthrow of our government might set things right. We did it once, we might have to do it again.

We have the same feelings over the pond, with the Unions threatening the first General Strike in decades. But Civil unrest is never the answer ....

When it comes to voting for our Presidency, our vote really doesn't matter. It's all Electoral College. Popular vote is a joke designed to make people feel like they have control.

I stand down now......

You folks just underline my anger about the politics and the politicians in this country.

I think my statement earlier stands.

Only a full out revolt and overthrow of our government might set things right.
We did it once, we might have to do it again.

Stand up.....or you might have to forever stand down.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

When it comes to voting for our Presidency, our vote really doesn't matter. It's all Electoral College. Popular vote is a joke designed to make people feel like they have control.

I personally have come to the inevitable conclusion that our political system is so corrupt that only a revolution could possibly correct it.

What was the quote?
Something like....
"Power corrupts....and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Our government currently thinks they have absolute power. And have been corrupted accordingly. Our president seems to think he is beyond the 'will of the people'....and acts accordingly.

I have to vote accordingly.
Sadly, as I am not real inspired, it shall be for R&R.

It's really sad when once has to choose between the lesser of two evils.

Which is what I alluded to when I first started this thread.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

Seems the discussion in my thread has ranged far and wide.
And I don't mind.
Discussion is crucial to this country right now.

From what I can discern, there is little here that is changing the mind of anybody from their chosen position. Mostly folks defending same.

Some comments have gotten a bit heated and personally directed at each other, which I do not appreciate. But I shall not quash continued debate.

I guess the only answer to my rhetorical question first posed.......

Is.....VOTE.

By God, at least vote your conscience, your views, your opinion, whatever.
But please, do NOT be one of those who I have met over the years who was bemoaning over a beer how bad things were and then had the audacity to tell me that they never even voted in the first place.

Because it 'would not make a difference' or some such drivel.

Folks......if you are a US citizen, I believe this is one of the most important elections in the history of this country.

Whether you espouse or agree with my views or not does not matter to me as much to me as that you get off your hinder and vote.

I think this is what I was trying to express. Vote and live with what the results are. Some of the other options mentioned here are tantamount to revolution and the eventual anarchy that would result. Such action would benefit a few who would become the new hated elite The world and US populations are at a point now where governments, good, bad or indifferent are necessary for the good of all.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

^ +1 to Mark. Just do your duty, exercise your right, and voice your opinion. As far as the presidential race, my vote will not make a difference, as NY goes to the democrat, always, but I will still do my duty to also voice my opinion for the other offices up for vote.

If enough people stop voting and stop caring, that'll be another right that is stepped on and interfered with... More than has been happening recently.

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#resist

Seems the discussion in my thread has ranged far and wide.
And I don't mind.
Discussion is crucial to this country right now.

From what I can discern, there is little here that is changing the mind of anybody from their chosen position. Mostly folks defending same.

Some comments have gotten a bit heated and personally directed at each other, which I do not appreciate. But I shall not quash continued debate.

I guess the only answer to my rhetorical question first posed.......

Is.....VOTE.

By God, at least vote your conscience, your views, your opinion, whatever.
But please, do NOT be one of those who I have met over the years who was bemoaning over a beer how bad things were and then had the audacity to tell me that they never even voted in the first place.

Because it 'would not make a difference' or some such drivel.

Folks......if you are a US citizen, I believe this is one of the most important elections in the history of this country.

Whether you espouse or agree with my views or not does not matter to me as much to me as that you get off your hinder and vote.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

Guy, you laugh at my concept of reducing the cost of dealing with miscreants and at the same time getting something of value from them while improving their position. What is wrong with that concept?

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They're all on the table. Each and every one of them would solve the problems discussed.

For example, a massive overhall of the education system and the single mother...

And jobs program for those incarcerated...

... all brought up in just the last couple of posts. If I went back farther, I'd find more.

Love ya!

Guy the Great!

P.S.

Thank you Blurf. I'd like an answer too.

Slacker = one who posts too much to S@H. Get back to work! ;)

Guy, just one of many insidious forces with many issues on all sides. Fox just bends reality a bit more than others. Murdoch has demonstrated with his British phone hacking that he is immoral and should not have a public broadcasting license.

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