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Message 1281718 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 23:52:00 UTC - in response to Message 1281634.  

Looking at the map, gotta agree with you. However, I think the yuppies & nimbys might complain when they're playing golf at the Southwood golf course!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ministers-join-rebellion-against-more-building-in-countryside-6264082.html
The article above says it all about those who wish only to see the towns and
cities of the the UK rammed with more developments just so they can keep the
niceties of the countryside all to themselves to live in.
Heathrow will not get a third runway for it would be political suicide for
any political party that grants it. So Cameron wishes to make Heathrow's
development a cross-party decision, a bit of a rissole is Cameron. He has to be
the most ineffective Conservative Prime Minister ever to set foot into Downing St.
Not one of our leading UK political parties has got an effective leader so who
is running the UK!!...clearly we are leader-less and those in Europe are taking
full advantage of this....for now anyway.


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Message 1281847 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 10:01:13 UTC

I think it is fair to say that there is widespread agreement by most people, that the UK needs extra airport capacity. The problem now is how to provide that in the most cost effective way, coupled with the minimum of disruption to peoples lives and the environment. I don't think expanding regional airports is feasible, so in my view it boils down to Heathrow RW3, or Boris Island.

I'll stick my neck out and say it will be Heathrow RW3. Why? Consider the following.

Firstly Goldsmith

Mr Goldsmith, a former adviser on the environment to David Cameron, said he would quit immediately if this happens, triggering a by-election in his Richmond Park constituency in London, which lies under the Heathrow flight path.
‘I promised before the election that if the Conservatives perform a U-turn on Heathrow, I would trigger an immediate by-election so that local voters can have their say,’ he said. ‘Clearly, I would honour that commitment.’

Secondly Boris

The sensational prospect of an early Commons comeback by Boris Johnson loomed last night after a top Tory MP offered to sacrifice his seat for him to take on David Cameron.

Multi-millionaire rebel Zac Goldsmith has told Mr Johnson that if the Prime Minister goes ahead with a third runway at Heathrow he will resign his safe seat in Richmond, South-West London, and let the London Mayor contest it in a by-election. The bombshell proposal was put to Mr Johnson when the two men met for secret talks last week to plot how to kill off Government moves to expand Heathrow.

Could it be that Goldsmith EXPECTS Runway 3, therefore expects to stand down, so is already offering his vacant seat to Boris? In my opinion Boris might just win Richmond, but certainly not against Cameron, but who knows. Interesting times.

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Message 1281849 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 10:24:03 UTC - in response to Message 1281847.  

Great post. However, many within the conservatives are frustrated with Cameron & the coalition & Boris could be a wake up call for the party.

As for RW3 at heathrow, I think it'll be totally ineffective in that Nick is correct - We need a proper international airport with a miniumum of 4 runways to cover current & future capacity.

Unfortunately, any politician that mentions that proposal will be committing total sucicide.
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Message 1281853 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 11:01:11 UTC

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Who's in charge?

Not one of our leading UK political parties has got an effective leader so who is running the UK!!...clearly we are leader-less and those in Europe are taking full advantage of this...

Whichever party wins a general election, the Party leader is invited by the Queen to form a government, and the leader becomes the Prime Minister. The job of the Prime Minister is to co-ordinate and shape Government policy, and to represent the country at various international meetings.

At a national level, the PM is supported by a Cabinet consisting of Ministers and others, who head up the various Government Departments, which are staffed by Civil Servants. At local level, Government policy is implemented by County Councils and local Councils, under Council Leaders and Councillors.

Of course the country is not leaderless, and of course it is being run. The fact that it is not being run in the way that you personally would like it to be run, is another matter altogether.

Airport Codes

and lets drop the silly London in front of all these airports names.....no ones fooled by this as has been the case to date.

London LGW London Gatwick
London LHR London Heathrow
London LCY London City Airport
London/Luton LTN London Luton Airport

Airport codes are allocated by the IATA, the International Air Transport Association, and it has been traditional that any major airport within 50 miles of London, is part of the London hub, and gets an L classification. I can only suggest that you complain to the IATA if you are not happy. IATA


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Message 1281855 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 11:18:04 UTC - in response to Message 1281853.  

Hmmn, after some good posts, you return to your condescending habits. Yes I'm afraid Nick is right - we're leaderless as our so called leaders are nothing but puppets.....

...or have Nick & I amongst others being dreaming....

Banking scandal, G4S debacle, Media Scandal, MP's fiddling, police corruption, military ill-equipped, potential deportations of those who faithfully served the country while thieves, rapists & murderers keep the right to reside here.....

....what next?

Citizens imprisoned with the key being thrown away for dissention?

Welcome to the Goon Nation!

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Message 1281856 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 11:26:23 UTC - in response to Message 1281849.  
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Great post. However, many within the conservatives are frustrated with Cameron & the coalition & Boris could be a wake up call for the party.

As for RW3 at heathrow, I think it'll be totally ineffective in that Nick is correct - We need a proper international airport with a miniumum of 4 runways to cover current & future capacity.

Unfortunately, any politician that mentions that proposal will be committing total sucicide.

That's correct, Sirius; no pussy-footing around with add-ons to Heathrow. If
Governments had any nonce regarding cost effectiveness HST2 would have been
thrown out before it got past the breakfast table. Gatwick, too far South,
Stansted, wrong side of London what do these Politicians know...only one thing,
how to come up with the wrong solution. To them it's always the case for going
for a solution that cost's half the price and does only half the job. We need
something at full cost resulting in a permanent solution to the problem...yes,
we need a new International Airport. Boris Island or Farnborough and the answer
to this is to ask the carriers who out of the two they favour the most. I reckon
they'd all opt for Farnborough (UKF International) or if preferred (UKL International....L for London) with it's four parallel runways.
...I'll ask Murphy's to put in a tender....

Cost, probably around £70 Billion once rail and road improvements have been
carried out. £11 billion wasted on the Olympics, did not produce the expected
financial returns, did the opposite; £39 Billion for HST2 and them both
together (£50 Billion) and we have met most of the cost. What do governments
know about cost effective solutions...naff-all....Chris, we're having a wee go
at you.
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Message 1281859 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 11:48:26 UTC
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Boris Island is a possibility, but there are two drawbacks. One is that there is a USA WWII shipwreck in the vicinity, with considerable munitions that are becoming increasingly unstable. Also the site has significant flocks of birds that could down aircraft. A new 4 runway International airport would be lovely but where do you put it? Also what would happen to Heathrow after all that investment of Terminal 5? This isn't going to be easy whichever way you look at it.

Boris Island

Cost


Cost and viability

The airport would cost £50 billion, including transport connections. The money would be difficult to raise and according to Deutsche Bank, the new airport would only be viable if Heathrow was closed down.

Transport links - £20-30 billion[18]
Power supply - £10-15 billion[18]

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Chris, we're having a wee go at you.

Of course you are, you always do when you are on the back foot! No probs I'm a seasoned campaigner. One week is a long time in politics, a couple of years is a life time.
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Message 1281861 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:09:09 UTC

London LGW London Gatwick
London LHR London Heathrow
London LCY London City Airport
London/Luton LTN London Luton Airport

Airport codes are allocated by the IATA, the International Air Transport Association, and it has been traditional that any major airport within 50 miles of London, is part of the London hub, and gets an L classification. I can only suggest that you complain to the IATA if you are not happy. IATA

You forgot LSA, London Southend.

Airport codes are allocated by IATA (L) if your within the 50 mile hub.
But these are recognition codes and each airport, big or small, has one.
But it's mutton dressed up as lamb when these London hub airports actually
title themselves as London too. London Stansted, London Luton, London Gatwick,
London Southend trying to give the impression that they are closely linked
to the City of London.

Of course the country is not leaderless, and of course it is being run. The fact that it is not being run in the way that you personally would like it to be run, is another matter altogether.

That's OK then as long as the country is run the way you personally like it at
the moment then. We have a modern 21st Century UK but still being run by an
old Victorian system of government....do you see a problem here?...I hope you
do Chris and in your position your doing something to change this.



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Message 1281862 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:11:17 UTC
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Ouch, this one has hit very close to home - the Inman is one of my customers..... & I can tell a few hilarious stories regarding his computers, but I don't want to lose my customer base.....

Just wondering if this could be part & parcel as to why Del-boy sacked Baroness Warsi as Conservative Party Chairman.....those plans of his have been in the pipeline for some time now with nothing more heard of them......

Child Brides & before one rubbishs the report from the "Daily Rag", the report is correct - ask me no questions & I'll tell you no lies

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Message 1281863 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:17:19 UTC

Of course you are, you always do when you are on the back foot! No probs I'm a seasoned campaigner. One week is a long time in politics, a couple of years is a life time.

Funny, I saw you as being on the back-foot here. Sirius and I are trying to be
progressive with our solution to the Heathrow problem.
I don't fancy Boris Island either due to the reasons you mention plus I believe
sea fog is another problem with this area. Other than this...I think your a
"stuffy old victorian"..take that with your cool pint of beer that your bound
to be enjoying in the garden this afternoon...Hm?, come to think of it, I might
have an odd bottle hidden away in the fridge...be about a year old though!!

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Message 1281868 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:31:54 UTC - in response to Message 1281863.  
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The problem & main worry about the "Boris Island" is the SS Richard Montgomery which I've known about for over 40 years. The issue is whether or not the munitions will ever explode.

As many military experts have stated, all that munitions had their fuses stored seperately so at the time of the sinking, there was no fear of any detonation. However, with between 1200 & 3000 tons of explosives still believed to be onboard her...can they/will they ever explode?

The annoying thing I find about the nimby's that that these selfish asswipes fly out of the country on their vacations..... do they travel up to Scotland for their flights?

They have heathrow/gatwick & don't want to travel any further than neccessary, so bigger airport? Build it in someone else's backyard - not ours!

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Message 1281870 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:36:19 UTC

You forgot LSA, London Southend.

Not sure where you got that from, the IATA site says

LSA AYKA Losuia Airport (Kiriwina Airfield) Losuia, Kiriwina Island, Papua New Guinea

I think your a "stuffy old victorian"..

Hehe, you couldn't be more wrong actually, but there you go. I might well be enjoying a cool pint, mine are rather newer and not hidden !!

That's OK then as long as the country is run the way you personally like it at the moment then

I have never said that at all. I disagree with a number of things, but I will try to be proactive and do something about it, rather than sit on the sidelines throwing bread rolls.

Enjoy your pint!


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Message 1281875 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:48:14 UTC

As a Londoner, I actually live closer to Gatwick than Heathrow, would I consider flying from Gatwick, no. It's is difficult to get to (not counting cars as I would never pay for aiport parking). I just don't consider it a London airport. Heathrow has a dedicated Express train and it is connected to the Underground, not quick but takes you anywhere in London which is important. Even JFK doesn't connect doesn't connect directly to the NY Subway, you have to change and pay again to get the "Air-Train"

Like it or not if people are coming to do business in London, they want London, not Crawley, Farnborough or Stansted. Somehow I don't think a new 4 runway international airport in the middle of London would be possible. I think in time the extra runway wiil be built at Heathrow, whatever government is in power they will have to bite the bullet!

Of course there is always London Biggin Hill
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Message 1281879 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 13:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 1281870.  

You forgot LSA, London Southend.

Not sure where you got that from, the IATA site says

LSA AYKA Losuia Airport (Kiriwina Airfield) Losuia, Kiriwina Island, Papua New Guinea

I think your a "stuffy old victorian"..

Hehe, you couldn't be more wrong actually, but there you go. I might well be enjoying a cool pint, mine are rather newer and not hidden !!

That's OK then as long as the country is run the way you personally like it at the moment then

I have never said that at all. I disagree with a number of things, but I will try to be proactive and do something about it, rather than sit on the sidelines throwing bread rolls.

Enjoy your pint!


http://www.southendairport.com/getting-here/

rather than sit on the sidelines throwing bread rolls.

....I would not waste good bread rolls on that lot.
But you forget Chris, there are more than three political parties in the UK
and I for one do not waste my time harrying the, "has been's now going no where parties"....
....that's your job and not mine.

I might well be enjoying a cool pint, mine are rather newer and not hidden !!

Hidden!!...well if I didn't then girlie-friend on spying it will through it out.
She says she's a catholic but I'm dam sure she's a covert Muslim...she makes a
"habit" of throwing things out that she says I don't need....women!!


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Message 1281893 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 13:47:25 UTC

£11 billion wasted on the Olympics, did not produce the expected
financial returns, did the opposite;


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Message 1281896 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 13:49:39 UTC - in response to Message 1281893.  

Ohhh, nice sidestep.....

& PROFIT FROM London 2012 Summer olympics?
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Message 1281902 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 14:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1281896.  

Ohhh, nice sidestep.....

& PROFIT FROM London 2012 Summer olympics?

It was good to see how well supported the Parallel Olympics was.

To my mind I think both Olympics should be combined into one whole event with
both running side by side. But costs need to be bought down to realistic levels
since returns over cost will show a phenomenal loss to the purse.


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Message 1281915 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:02:29 UTC

Like it or not if people are coming to do business in London, they want London, not Crawley, Farnborough or Stansted


Bernie, Farnborough Airport is only about a quarter of a mile further away from the centre of London than Heathrow is. If they put a third runway down at
Heathrow then you can bet your last Dollar on the next plan to follow.....
....Terminal 6. Where's that going to go? Then followed later by runway 4....
....where's that going to go? The choice is quite simple, we either do away
with Hounslow and Feltham to make way for the future expansion of Heathrow
or reduce our decimation of towns by flattening Farnborough...a lot less housing
involved in the latter.

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Message 1281918 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:09:15 UTC - in response to Message 1281915.  

Like it or not if people are coming to do business in London, they want London, not Crawley, Farnborough or Stansted


Bernie, Farnborough Airport is only about a quarter of a mile further away from the centre of London than Heathrow is. If they put a third runway down at
Heathrow then you can bet your last Dollar on the next plan to follow.....
....Terminal 6. Where's that going to go? Then followed later by runway 4....
....where's that going to go? The choice is quite simple, we either do away
with Hounslow and Feltham to make way for the future expansion of Heathrow
or reduce our decimation of towns by flattening Farnborough...a lot less housing
involved in the latter.



& a lot less CPO's required as well!
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