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Message 1281868 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:31:54 UTC - in response to Message 1281863.  
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The problem & main worry about the "Boris Island" is the SS Richard Montgomery which I've known about for over 40 years. The issue is whether or not the munitions will ever explode.

As many military experts have stated, all that munitions had their fuses stored seperately so at the time of the sinking, there was no fear of any detonation. However, with between 1200 & 3000 tons of explosives still believed to be onboard her...can they/will they ever explode?

The annoying thing I find about the nimby's that that these selfish asswipes fly out of the country on their vacations..... do they travel up to Scotland for their flights?

They have heathrow/gatwick & don't want to travel any further than neccessary, so bigger airport? Build it in someone else's backyard - not ours!

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Message 1281875 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:48:14 UTC

As a Londoner, I actually live closer to Gatwick than Heathrow, would I consider flying from Gatwick, no. It's is difficult to get to (not counting cars as I would never pay for aiport parking). I just don't consider it a London airport. Heathrow has a dedicated Express train and it is connected to the Underground, not quick but takes you anywhere in London which is important. Even JFK doesn't connect doesn't connect directly to the NY Subway, you have to change and pay again to get the "Air-Train"

Like it or not if people are coming to do business in London, they want London, not Crawley, Farnborough or Stansted. Somehow I don't think a new 4 runway international airport in the middle of London would be possible. I think in time the extra runway wiil be built at Heathrow, whatever government is in power they will have to bite the bullet!

Of course there is always London Biggin Hill
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Message 1281879 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 13:02:31 UTC - in response to Message 1281870.  

You forgot LSA, London Southend.

Not sure where you got that from, the IATA site says

LSA AYKA Losuia Airport (Kiriwina Airfield) Losuia, Kiriwina Island, Papua New Guinea

I think your a "stuffy old victorian"..

Hehe, you couldn't be more wrong actually, but there you go. I might well be enjoying a cool pint, mine are rather newer and not hidden !!

That's OK then as long as the country is run the way you personally like it at the moment then

I have never said that at all. I disagree with a number of things, but I will try to be proactive and do something about it, rather than sit on the sidelines throwing bread rolls.

Enjoy your pint!


http://www.southendairport.com/getting-here/

rather than sit on the sidelines throwing bread rolls.

....I would not waste good bread rolls on that lot.
But you forget Chris, there are more than three political parties in the UK
and I for one do not waste my time harrying the, "has been's now going no where parties"....
....that's your job and not mine.

I might well be enjoying a cool pint, mine are rather newer and not hidden !!

Hidden!!...well if I didn't then girlie-friend on spying it will through it out.
She says she's a catholic but I'm dam sure she's a covert Muslim...she makes a
"habit" of throwing things out that she says I don't need....women!!


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Message 1281896 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 13:49:39 UTC - in response to Message 1281893.  

Ohhh, nice sidestep.....

& PROFIT FROM London 2012 Summer olympics?
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Message 1281902 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 14:06:07 UTC - in response to Message 1281896.  

Ohhh, nice sidestep.....

& PROFIT FROM London 2012 Summer olympics?

It was good to see how well supported the Parallel Olympics was.

To my mind I think both Olympics should be combined into one whole event with
both running side by side. But costs need to be bought down to realistic levels
since returns over cost will show a phenomenal loss to the purse.


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Message 1281915 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:02:29 UTC

Like it or not if people are coming to do business in London, they want London, not Crawley, Farnborough or Stansted


Bernie, Farnborough Airport is only about a quarter of a mile further away from the centre of London than Heathrow is. If they put a third runway down at
Heathrow then you can bet your last Dollar on the next plan to follow.....
....Terminal 6. Where's that going to go? Then followed later by runway 4....
....where's that going to go? The choice is quite simple, we either do away
with Hounslow and Feltham to make way for the future expansion of Heathrow
or reduce our decimation of towns by flattening Farnborough...a lot less housing
involved in the latter.

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Message 1281918 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:09:15 UTC - in response to Message 1281915.  

Like it or not if people are coming to do business in London, they want London, not Crawley, Farnborough or Stansted


Bernie, Farnborough Airport is only about a quarter of a mile further away from the centre of London than Heathrow is. If they put a third runway down at
Heathrow then you can bet your last Dollar on the next plan to follow.....
....Terminal 6. Where's that going to go? Then followed later by runway 4....
....where's that going to go? The choice is quite simple, we either do away
with Hounslow and Feltham to make way for the future expansion of Heathrow
or reduce our decimation of towns by flattening Farnborough...a lot less housing
involved in the latter.



& a lot less CPO's required as well!
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Message 1281922 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:25:41 UTC



"This is what I get for asking a sensible question"
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Message 1281928 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:43:42 UTC

A view of Heathrow in 1949, actually not called that then it was London Airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-svhmFd214
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Message 1281933 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 15:57:56 UTC - in response to Message 1281922.  



Little boy says to himself, "What did he just say, we're going to crush you all
into the suburban areas of Enfield just to keep you out and away from the country
side".

Cleggy, "Yar, one definite cross-party agreement we all follow...by packing them into the towns and cities we keep the urberts out of "our" country side".



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Message 1281935 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 16:05:27 UTC - in response to Message 1281928.  

A view of Heathrow in 1949, actually not called that then it was London Airport.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-svhmFd214


Nice link - Thanks.
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Message 1281952 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 16:31:50 UTC
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=GLNbYqraTgE&NR=1
If you now watch this next video regarding Heathrow then you will understand why
I say a fourth runway will be required....three runways do not solve the problems
long term.

I know what the problem here is with Airport expansion. If we build a new
International Airport and build it in the right place either Stansted,
Gatwick or both together may become redundant. Along with redundancy comes
the loss of most associated commerce around these airport areas.

I refer you to my picture caption several post back.
Little boy, "Hey David, according to Nick your building these houses in the
wrong place Stansted may close down one day".

Cleggy...Think I'll start a new political campaign, "Save Stansted, build the
new international airport on the Isle of White".
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Message 1281979 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 17:34:53 UTC
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Bernie, Farnborough Airport is only about a quarter of a mile further away from the centre of London than Heathrow is.


I was talking about road not as the crow flies.

According to Google maps

Hyde Park To Heathrow Airport 15.4 Miles

Hyde Park to Farnborough 38.3 Miles

A is Hyde Park B Is Farnborough C Is Heathrow


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Message 1282029 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 20:50:39 UTC
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Oh well, that settles it....Weybridge & Chertsey for the chop. An ideal place
for the new airport, skirted by both the M25 and M3 and a big enough area
to put two Heathrow's in. Once built then Heathrow can be closed down since
carriers prefer to land at an Airport where they can also grab continental
flight passengers wishing to go from the UK on to Europe once landed....
...hence why most big carriers choose not to use either Stansted or Gatwick.

Heathrow is boxed in and to expand to meet expected demand means they will have to
take over the towns of, Harmondsworth, Sipson, Harlington and Cranford. This way
you could then fit in your third and fourth runways plus an extra terminal or
two but this would involve the re-siting of all those hotels along the A4 Bath
road. But this move would mean that Heathrow would be skirted up-aside the
M4 along one side, with the M25 remaining along the other.
The M4 will need to have a junction re-constructed as Heathrow will have two
prominent sides to it, North and South. M4 junction 3 will need a new feed off
going through Avenue Park so feeding the South side of Heathrow, the North side
will still use the existing Junction 4. The M4, at it's minimum, will require a
fourth traffic lane either side running from where it joins the M25 and along
the M4 to at least it's junction 3. To alleviate expected pressure on the M25,
as it tries to service Heathrow, requires a link road from the M3 into Heathrow.
This link could start at where the M3 crosses over Stains Road (A244) Sunbury
along the back end of Bedfont and then along the A30 and into Heathrow.
This link road will then split the traffic coming from the West of England
along two optional routes rather than over-congesting just the one, the M4.

The above is what will be required if they truly wont a world beating
International Airport based at Heathrow. I can lay-out the basic plans for the
future re-development of Heathrow, why can't the Politicians do the same.
They can't for it might cost them their seats at the next general election hence
why I have no time for the three main UK political parties for they are all a
millstone around the necks of the general UK populous....and have been virtually
since post WW2.

What's Camerons take on this Heathrow issue, "I think I'll postspone any decision
till after the next general election then we will make it a cross-party issue.
This way if we make the wrong decision, which we normally do, the us Con's
will only get a third of the blame for failure here".
This Prime Minister clearly lacks any backbone, he has no metal, he does not
drive events he is driven by them so constantly end's up going down blind
alleys. He will most probably not be leading the Con's into the next general
election...I feel his time is ending.
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Message 1282041 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 21:34:56 UTC - in response to Message 1282029.  

An excellent post me old china! Shame that the muppets in Westminister will never agree to that, which just highlights what they think of us......


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Message 1282049 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:03:21 UTC - in response to Message 1282029.  

Never going to happen at Chertsey, just over the M3 is Virginia Water, lot of 0.1%ers in that area.

Wentworth and Sunningdale golf clubs are there.
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Message 1282050 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:08:34 UTC - in response to Message 1282049.  

Yep, which is one of the main reasons why they're going for a kludge of a job after the next election....

Heathrow & there's damn all us minions can do about it!
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Message 1282058 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:24:14 UTC
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I'm not too sure if the muppets of Westminister are capable of making a decision
on this scale. It would pain me to see those outer skirting towns around
Heathrow disappear under concrete runways and the likes, for common sense does
dictate that expanding Heathrow make more economical sense than actually
building a completely new airport. Because of the clash of carrier business
interests we can't have two international airports within close proximity to
the city of London, hence why both Stansted and Gatwick fail to grab the
big international airlines. These carriers need one airport that does all
for it fits in to their business plans. Heathrow does, Stansted and Gatwick do not
and a new international airport, where ever it be built, will not fit in either
unless of course, in the process, you close Heathrow down. It's no good telling
Air France that it can only land at Gatwick if at Gatwick no continental flights
from say the USA land their. For Air France will be wonting to pick-up
passengers from the USA flights if their intended final destination is Paris.
This is the gripe these major airline companies are having regarding using an
airport other than Heathrow....and you can't fault them for this either. This is
a point that our muppets don't seem to understand. The muppets have tried the
old chestnut game of calling these airports London this and London that and
London the other...our muppets play games because that's all their fit for.

Well Sirius, it's decision time, do we go for a completely new airport and
when finally built Heathrow closes down or do we expand Heathrow.
I say, unfortunately, we expand Heathrow and in the process we do it properly.
If you agree then call up Murphy's cos' we wont the job to be done well.

If you plumb for a completely new airport then subsequently Heathrow will have
to close. On the infrastructure side of things Heathrow can be easily serviced
by three major motorways, where else around London could we achieve this if
we were looking for a new site to build an airport upon?
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Message 1282062 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:34:37 UTC - in response to Message 1282058.  

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Well Sirius, it's decision time, do we go for a completely new airport and
when finally built Heathrow closes down or do we expand Heathrow.
I say, unfortunately, we expand Heathrow and in the process we do it properly.
If you agree then call up Murphy's cos' we wont the job to be done well.


Another good post.

We know it's going to be heathrow & rather than piss about with all the whinging, why not go for the 3rd & 4th runways at once rather than having this debate in 20 years time on arguing the for/against the 4th runway.

Oh, & get Murphy's in to do the job right 1st time!
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Message 1282066 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 22:51:48 UTC

We know it's going to be heathrow & rather than piss about with all the whinging, why not go for the 3rd & 4th runways at once rather than having this debate in 20 years time on arguing the for/against the 4th runway.

Oh, & get Murphy's in to do the job right 1st time!

I'm with you all the way, Sirius, and how long did it takes us to conclude on
what was best in the long run.....only one day. Had the muppets made this
decision when it was needed many years ago then the pain of it would have been
over by now. But no, the muppets have still got this pain to come.

We're doing well, Sirius; so far to date we have extradited ourselves out
of the ECM, saving £50 million a day and reinvested this money into the
redevelopment of Heathrow....what's next on the agenda?

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