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Message 1279301 - Posted: 2 Sep 2012, 16:42:08 UTC - in response to Message 1279297.  
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Hi WK, I welcome your input.

That quote differs from a para further up the page;

Yes it does, I spotted that as well. But that's by the Rules as they currently stand. Nevertheless ...

As I understand it the Home Office has the power to grant "Special Dispensation" to reside in the UK, and I sincerely hope they do so here.

It needs an act of parliament to change legislation, which needs to go through Committee stages and readings. But the Home Secretary has a certain power of over-rule or veto in the public interest. I would have thought that this applies here.



I actually have two letters signed by Home Office Under-Secretarys. One for me and another for my youngest son, explaining why we are British citizens.
(In 1983/4 all children, and I mean all, born to British subects outside of the UK were not British citizens, even those born in British Military Hospitals.)
They have to be shown, or notarized copies sent, for each passport application, a right pain in the neck. Nearly every time we seem to get a jobsworth civil servant dealing with the application. It got so bad on one occasion I had to contact my MP, who then spoke to the Minister, to get things sorted out in time.
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Message 1279306 - Posted: 2 Sep 2012, 17:00:16 UTC - in response to Message 1279198.  

Another decision by bureaucracy that fails he common sense rule.

July 7 survivor faces deportation from Britain

A university lecturer injured in the 7/7 bombings faces being expelled from the UK even though he was born to British parents in a British colony.


I seems that the inmates are running the asylum.
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Message 1279351 - Posted: 2 Sep 2012, 19:28:42 UTC - in response to Message 1279317.  
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Another good post, but however, lay off the "negativity".

It's not a question of negativity but the fact in pointing out: - stupidity/incompetence/negligence.

I personally have over 4 dozen letters on my system that I forwarded to civil servants praising their assistance & well timely intervention of some of their colleagues stupidity. To offset that, I have over 2000 documents that highlight said stupidity/incompetence/negligence, which to this day, is still occuring.

The problem with the civil service is that many of the good ones are trapped in that due to constant rules & regulations changing, it's almost impossible to keep abreast of those changes, & when they have used their common sense, actually get reprimanded which I have personally witnessed & felt genuinely sorry for the person geting reprimanded as it shouldn't have happened in public!

As already stated by myself, the major problem is not the civil servants themselves but the mandarins (as well as some "jobsworths" that slip through) that control them! This is what needs changing & reforming, not the civil service itself!

The other major problem that civil servants have to face on a daily basis is that too many people are abusive towards them & those very same abusive people do not know how to use two very important words in the English language: -

Those are: -

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Message 1280694 - Posted: 6 Sep 2012, 19:08:01 UTC

PM says "burglars" are cowards

"But I'm very clear; burglary is not bravery, burglary is cowardice, burglary is a hateful crime".

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However, using the same link, it seems that betreger is correct....

It seems that the inmates are running the asylum.


"The judge reportedly told the offender on Tuesday: "It takes a huge amount of courage, as far as I can see, for somebody to burgle somebody's house. I wouldn't have the nerve." & that makes it alright for asswipes to do it?

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Message 1281179 - Posted: 7 Sep 2012, 21:11:01 UTC

Now that the "silly season" is, hopefully, over, we may see some genuine advancements.....

...can the wins overtake the losses? That is the Q!

UK Broadband aided by rule changes

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No decision until after General election

Was that the reason why Justine Greening got demoted? Stumbling block to that 3rd runway?

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Message 1281442 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 13:28:14 UTC - in response to Message 1281432.  

Very good post...it would have received an "excellent" mark if not for this...

It's not important anyway she is small fry.

That was uncalled for!

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Message 1281450 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 13:45:34 UTC - in response to Message 1281432.  
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To be absolutely honest I have no sympathy for 98% of the people around Heathrow. As a kid in the early comet days I flew in and out of Heathrow when it was just starting to be an international airport.
There was nothing there except all the water treatment plants, a few farms and small villages. A few industrial buildings were being built on the fringe of the airport, probably for freight transport etc.

So all these people that complain about the noise are in housing built after the start of Heathrow.

I can see similar complaints coming from people near Gatwick, well just check the population change of Crawley. Thats in my patch, I remember it as a very small town, not somewhere the Ladies in your life would go to do their shopping. Our families women went to Brighton or Eastborne, maybe Lewis or just for a real change Tunbridge Wells.
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Message 1281474 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 15:24:34 UTC - in response to Message 1281432.  
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There are really only four practical possibilities to solve this problem.
    1. Heathrow (LHR) runway 3
    2. Expand Gatwick (LGW)
    3. Expand regional airports
    4. Boris Island in the Thames Estuary (LBI ???)



Solution No.5... Farnborough....
....ah! wont that effect the quality of life of those elitist's who live
in that county.....there goes the problem.....not on our doorstep please.

But do remember why so many people living around Heathrow are against this third
runway.....they were lied to over Terminal 5. "There will be no further
development at Heathrow once Terminal Five gets built". Utter bare-face lying
by all concerned, government and B.A.A. Expansion of Heathrow is not the
solution to our air traffic problems, no it just happens to be the cheapest
for now. Dump stupid HST2 and use this money to build a NEW international
airport as close to London as Heathrow is...hence Farnborough is the correct
long term solution.... Farnborough is just as close.
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Message 1281551 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 17:34:04 UTC - in response to Message 1281494.  
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I assume you are talking about Farnborough Hants. Farnborough Airport (FHB) Has a number of current uses, and some undocumented MOD ones. I doubt that it would be seriously considered.

The airfield is the home of the Farnborough Airshow which takes place on even numbered years. It is also home to the Air Accidents Investigation Branch, part of the Department for Transport.

Farnborough

Stansted is a possibility.


Swap the two around....Stansted Airshow and other military operations and
Farnborough as an international Airport (UKF International)...and lets drop the
silly London in front of all these airports names.....no ones fooled by this
as has been the case to date.
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Message 1281578 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 18:21:42 UTC - in response to Message 1281551.  
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Too late for Stanstead to act as a military airshow airfield, it's been too commercialised. However, since the A120 bypass was built, it has enough space to be developed as a large international airport - unless the local NIMBY's stick their oar in.

Like what happened at RAF Alconbury back in the 90's. The development laid out for that was superb as it was planned for an international regional airport as well as an Eastern Logistics distribution hub - however John Major & other "muppets" from Little Stukeley put a stop to those plans.

With larger & larger aircraft being built like the Airbus, many airports are going to have to move with the times regardless of NIMBY's, but unfortunately they are the ones with power & do not wish their idyllic homes destroyed by noise.
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Message 1281596 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 18:50:39 UTC - in response to Message 1281578.  

Too late for Stanstead to act as a military airshow airfield, it's been too commercialised. However, since the A120 bypass was built, it has enough space to be developed as a large international airport - unless the local NIMBY's stick their oar in.


Only fools and politicians would ever pump money into Stansted Airport in
hopes of boosting it's status and unattractiveness to business.
Business and commerce has already told us what they think of this airport.....
....it's not where they wont it so they hardly use it. They way forwards is to
build a completely new International Airport with status behind it. Farnborough
is the correct location for this airport. It's the ideal side of the M25, the
ideal side of the City of London and the ideal side to Heathrow to link to it.

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Message 1281601 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 19:07:26 UTC

Seems Farnborough is no longer MOD

The civil enclave was operated by Farnborough Business Aviation until 2003, when the Ministry of Defence stopped operations at Farnborough. All experimental aircraft were moved to MoD Boscombe Down; the airport was taken over by TAG. Commercial defence research continues to be carried out in the adjunct Cody Technology Park by research firm QinetiQ.Aviation.


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Message 1281634 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 20:24:32 UTC - in response to Message 1281596.  

Looking at the map, gotta agree with you. However, I think the yuppies & nimbys might complain when they're playing golf at the Southwood golf course!
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Message 1281718 - Posted: 8 Sep 2012, 23:52:00 UTC - in response to Message 1281634.  

Looking at the map, gotta agree with you. However, I think the yuppies & nimbys might complain when they're playing golf at the Southwood golf course!


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ministers-join-rebellion-against-more-building-in-countryside-6264082.html
The article above says it all about those who wish only to see the towns and
cities of the the UK rammed with more developments just so they can keep the
niceties of the countryside all to themselves to live in.
Heathrow will not get a third runway for it would be political suicide for
any political party that grants it. So Cameron wishes to make Heathrow's
development a cross-party decision, a bit of a rissole is Cameron. He has to be
the most ineffective Conservative Prime Minister ever to set foot into Downing St.
Not one of our leading UK political parties has got an effective leader so who
is running the UK!!...clearly we are leader-less and those in Europe are taking
full advantage of this....for now anyway.


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Message 1281849 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 10:24:03 UTC - in response to Message 1281847.  

Great post. However, many within the conservatives are frustrated with Cameron & the coalition & Boris could be a wake up call for the party.

As for RW3 at heathrow, I think it'll be totally ineffective in that Nick is correct - We need a proper international airport with a miniumum of 4 runways to cover current & future capacity.

Unfortunately, any politician that mentions that proposal will be committing total sucicide.
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Message 1281855 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 11:18:04 UTC - in response to Message 1281853.  

Hmmn, after some good posts, you return to your condescending habits. Yes I'm afraid Nick is right - we're leaderless as our so called leaders are nothing but puppets.....

...or have Nick & I amongst others being dreaming....

Banking scandal, G4S debacle, Media Scandal, MP's fiddling, police corruption, military ill-equipped, potential deportations of those who faithfully served the country while thieves, rapists & murderers keep the right to reside here.....

....what next?

Citizens imprisoned with the key being thrown away for dissention?

Welcome to the Goon Nation!

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Message 1281856 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 11:26:23 UTC - in response to Message 1281849.  
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Great post. However, many within the conservatives are frustrated with Cameron & the coalition & Boris could be a wake up call for the party.

As for RW3 at heathrow, I think it'll be totally ineffective in that Nick is correct - We need a proper international airport with a miniumum of 4 runways to cover current & future capacity.

Unfortunately, any politician that mentions that proposal will be committing total sucicide.

That's correct, Sirius; no pussy-footing around with add-ons to Heathrow. If
Governments had any nonce regarding cost effectiveness HST2 would have been
thrown out before it got past the breakfast table. Gatwick, too far South,
Stansted, wrong side of London what do these Politicians know...only one thing,
how to come up with the wrong solution. To them it's always the case for going
for a solution that cost's half the price and does only half the job. We need
something at full cost resulting in a permanent solution to the problem...yes,
we need a new International Airport. Boris Island or Farnborough and the answer
to this is to ask the carriers who out of the two they favour the most. I reckon
they'd all opt for Farnborough (UKF International) or if preferred (UKL International....L for London) with it's four parallel runways.
...I'll ask Murphy's to put in a tender....

Cost, probably around £70 Billion once rail and road improvements have been
carried out. £11 billion wasted on the Olympics, did not produce the expected
financial returns, did the opposite; £39 Billion for HST2 and them both
together (£50 Billion) and we have met most of the cost. What do governments
know about cost effective solutions...naff-all....Chris, we're having a wee go
at you.
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Message 1281861 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:09:09 UTC

London LGW London Gatwick
London LHR London Heathrow
London LCY London City Airport
London/Luton LTN London Luton Airport

Airport codes are allocated by the IATA, the International Air Transport Association, and it has been traditional that any major airport within 50 miles of London, is part of the London hub, and gets an L classification. I can only suggest that you complain to the IATA if you are not happy. IATA

You forgot LSA, London Southend.

Airport codes are allocated by IATA (L) if your within the 50 mile hub.
But these are recognition codes and each airport, big or small, has one.
But it's mutton dressed up as lamb when these London hub airports actually
title themselves as London too. London Stansted, London Luton, London Gatwick,
London Southend trying to give the impression that they are closely linked
to the City of London.

Of course the country is not leaderless, and of course it is being run. The fact that it is not being run in the way that you personally would like it to be run, is another matter altogether.

That's OK then as long as the country is run the way you personally like it at
the moment then. We have a modern 21st Century UK but still being run by an
old Victorian system of government....do you see a problem here?...I hope you
do Chris and in your position your doing something to change this.



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Message 1281862 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:11:17 UTC
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Ouch, this one has hit very close to home - the Inman is one of my customers..... & I can tell a few hilarious stories regarding his computers, but I don't want to lose my customer base.....

Just wondering if this could be part & parcel as to why Del-boy sacked Baroness Warsi as Conservative Party Chairman.....those plans of his have been in the pipeline for some time now with nothing more heard of them......

Child Brides & before one rubbishs the report from the "Daily Rag", the report is correct - ask me no questions & I'll tell you no lies

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Message 1281863 - Posted: 9 Sep 2012, 12:17:19 UTC

Of course you are, you always do when you are on the back foot! No probs I'm a seasoned campaigner. One week is a long time in politics, a couple of years is a life time.

Funny, I saw you as being on the back-foot here. Sirius and I are trying to be
progressive with our solution to the Heathrow problem.
I don't fancy Boris Island either due to the reasons you mention plus I believe
sea fog is another problem with this area. Other than this...I think your a
"stuffy old victorian"..take that with your cool pint of beer that your bound
to be enjoying in the garden this afternoon...Hm?, come to think of it, I might
have an odd bottle hidden away in the fridge...be about a year old though!!

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