Chris, both Lucca and Hawaii - nice places indeed.

Sounds nice, I'd really like to go there one day :-)

Indeed -- though in the islands (not those rainy cold ones you endure) it's 'umbrella drinks' for the touristas. Here in Lucca (we leave tomorrow for Siena) it is simply lot's of wine -- I really like their local 'frizzante' -- frizy wine -- like a light champagne without the French.

Okidoki, that stuff makes nice rum doesn't it?

Okidoki, that stuff makes nice rum doesn't it?

Fair enough, we have a timeshare in Hawaii, raising cane might be more appropriate..

@BarryAZ Esq. "raising Cain", Moi? perish the thought, you must be mixing me up with someone else. <Grin2>

I say Old Boy, shall we continue this debate about the plans for the government to grab more of our money over a nice warm pint of ale?

Sounds like a pleasant proposition to me old chap, while we still can afford to buy a pint <Grin1>

@BarryAZ Esq. "raising Cain", Moi? perish the thought, you must be mixing me up with someone else. <Grin2>

As opposed in other threads to raising Cain <g>

I think Chris has missed the point - its not about reducing the amount of waste gradually decaying in gardens but about raising money....

I say Old Boy, shall we continue this debate about the plans for the government to grab more of our money over a nice warm pint of ale?

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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

And isn't it nice to do so in a gentlemanly fashion, without any unpleasantness :-)

You are allowed to

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Bob Smith
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Sorry Rob, I diasgree.

I think Chris has missed the point - its not about reducing the amount of waste gradually decaying in gardens but about raising money....

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Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?

In our neighborhood it is all single family homes -- owner occupied mostly, even in the post bubble world. In addition to the regular trash pick up, each quarter there are 'large item' pickups. For the week prior to that one sometimes sees large items out front of homes - and then poof, they are gone. There also are scheduled drop off events for other goods (such as paint, tires and the like) for these you transport to a location about 2 miles away, produce a copy of your water bill (which includes the trash pickup cost) and then can drop off these items.

It's funny to read this thread now. I just watched and waited for almost a month while a (old) big-screen tv and dresser sat at the edge of the road in front of my neighbors house...

I started to think it was a cruel argument between the homeowners and the garbage company...

What needs to be asked is why the hell are people dumping sh*t in their own gardens and around their homes. In some cases it will because of laziness, but most causes will be drug addiction, disability, mental health and alcoholism. All things that are rife on sink estates.

Es asks a very pertinent question. In addition to the causes that she lists I would add that I think a lot of it is what I can best term as "council house mentality". "Settee in the front garden? so what? Hasn't everybody else? My parents had one". When you grow up in that environment it becomes quite normal.

If you can get people to have a bit of respect for their own lifestyle and everybody elses, then you can make a start upon the bigger problems of drugs and drink. It maybe being seen by some as a useless desperate measure, but I think it's an initiative at least worth trying.

We do have tenants associations in the UK but they have no legal standing unless you live in private complexes with shared equity. On a Council estate if you complain about your neighbours you're likely to get a brick through your window, so the status quo remains.

We all know what the problems are, and mainly what causes them, the problem is how to deal with it?

It's funny to read this thread now. I just watched and waited for almost a month while a (old) big-screen tv and dresser sat at the edge of the road in front of my neighbors house...

I started to think it was a cruel argument between the homeowners and the garbage company...

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#resist

I guess I'm fortunate to live where I do (Florida). Mine is mostly a retirement community and I live in an aluminum box in a mobile home park. My garbage including pizza boxes is hauled off on Mondays as long as I can get them to the curb. Bigger stuff like TVs, microwave ovens, furniture and even large appliances are picked up on Wednesdays. I do pay a monthly fee for this service but it is relatively small. There are also private firms that will come by and take away things like washers and dryers for no charge.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

It's a dumbass kneejerk reaction that doesn't deal with the causes. What needs to be asked is why the hell are people dumping sh*t in their own gardens and around their homes. In some cases it will because of laziness, but most causes will be drug addiction, disability, mental health and alcoholism. All things that are rife on sink estates.

In the process of having action taken against them then these problems of
drug addiction, disability, mental health and alcoholism will all get highlighted
and support and assistance given where necessary. So something good overall
may come from all this.

Yes. In an ideal world that would be the case. Sadly with all the government cuts to these services I am pretty sure it won't happen.

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What? There's no deed restrictions in the UK? No Home Owner's Associations?

Clearly, Guy; the above do not cover or deal with this type of problem that's
why it has now fallen into the hands of our national government.

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
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It's a dumbass kneejerk reaction that doesn't deal with the causes. What needs to be asked is why the hell are people dumping sh*t in their own gardens and around their homes. In some cases it will because of laziness, but most causes will be drug addiction, disability, mental health and alcoholism. All things that are rife on sink estates.

In the process of having action taken against them then these problems of
drug addiction, disability, mental health and alcoholism will all get highlighted
and support and assistance given where necessary. So something good overall
may come from all this.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.