I Believe...And I will leave it at that on the Message Boards.
I also Believe in Science...The two coexist.
Any other communication on My Thoughts can be carried out Via PM's or E-Mail.
I have a Job here that Requires Me to be Fair and Impartial.

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

I cannot figure out what in the world Lynn is trying to say.
But, to our Christian friends, and those raised Christian but now agnostic, Happy Easter.

I have know idea myself.
Happy Easter to our Troops! Happy Easter to everyone at Seti@home.

Happy Easter, msattler and Sarge.

Lynn

Lynn......my heart tells me one thing too.
This is Easter Sunday.
He has risen.
We are saved.

Glorious, don't you think?

Amen!

I cannot figure out what in the world Lynn is trying to say.
But, to our Christian friends, and those raised Christian but now agnostic, Happy Easter.

Thank you, Sarge.
Easter eggs for everybody from the kitties and myself.

You make partake or step on them as you wish...LOL.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

I cannot figure out what in the world Lynn is trying to say.
But, to our Christian friends, and those raised Christian but now agnostic, Happy Easter.

Lynn......my heart tells me one thing too.
This is Easter Sunday.
He has risen.
We are saved.

Glorious, don't you think?

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

msattler,

I also apologize for storming out of the original thread. I started a thread way back, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64134
Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans


I feel like Pandora's Box, was opened in the thread. It was Hawking, that i was angry with. He flip-flops.

All the best,
Lynn

No apologies needed......none warranted.
Religion is a special thing that some people hold dear......and some certainly do not.
Those who have it tend to uphold it, well, religiously. And those who do not tend to diss it most vehemently.

Maybe my fault for trying to bring it up on a mostly scientific project's forums, after all, this is not a prayer group we got going here...LOL.

Hawking should be pardoned for all he says......his mind is all that he has, as his body is trying to leave him.

His scientific views have opened many horizons...and he is entitled to his opinion, even if it changes at times. Mine has been known to also.

Your apology, well tendered is accepted, although not needed in the slightest.
Glad to see you stuck around.

Thanks for accepting my apology. It was needed. Great, i agree with you on Hawking. Did you see him on the sitcom, "The Big Bang Theory"? I've had enough God talk to last a lifetime.

Let this be the end. My heart tells me one thing.

All the best to everyone!
Lynn

msattler,

I also apologize for storming out of the original thread. I started a thread way back, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64134
Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans


I feel like Pandora's Box, was opened in the thread. It was Hawking, that i was angry with. He flip-flops.

All the best,
Lynn

As your original thread is closed I will point you to at least one American that does support the "Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story" view in the book "A Universe from Nothing": Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing

by Lawrence M. Krauss, Richard Dawkins

Lawrence M. Krauss, a Canadian/American, is a professor at Arizona State University.

Synopsis

"WHERE DID THE UNIVERSE COME FROM?
WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE IT?
WHAT WILL THE FUTURE BRING?
AND FINALLY, WHY IS THERESOMETHING RATHER THAN NOTHING?"

Lawrence Krauss's provocative answers to these and other timeless questions in a wildly popular lecture now on YouTube have attracted almost a million viewers. The last of these questions in particular has been at the center of religious and philosophical debates about the existence of God, and it's the supposed counterargument to anyone who questions the need for God. As Krauss argues, scientists have, however, historically focused on other, more pressing issues--such as figuring out how the universe actually functions, which can ultimately help us to improve the quality of our lives.

Now, in a cosmological story that rivets as it enlightens, pioneering theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss explains the groundbreaking new scientific advances that turn the most basic philosophical questions on their heads. One of the few prominent scientists today to have actively crossed the chasm between science and popular culture, Krauss reveals that modern science is addressing the question of why there is something rather than nothing, with surprising and fascinating results. The staggeringly beautiful experimental observations and mind-bending new theories are all described accessibly in A Universe from Nothing, and they suggest that not only can something arise from nothing, something will always arise from nothing.

With his characteristic wry humor and wonderfully clear explanations, Krauss takes us back to the beginning of the beginning, presenting the most recent evidence for how our universe evolved--and the implications for how it's going to end. It will provoke, challenge, and delight readers as it looks at the most basic underpinnings of existence in a whole new way. And this knowledge that our universe will be quite different in the future from today has profound implications and directly affects how we live in the present. As Richard Dawkins has described it: This could potentially be the most important scientific book with implications for supernaturalism since Darwin.

A fascinating antidote to outmoded philosophical and religious thinking, A Universe from Nothing is a provocative, game-changing entry into the debate about the existence of God and everything that exists. "Forget Jesus," Krauss has argued, "the stars died so you could be born."

I have one of his lectures, on dvd. Is he right or wrong??
Just going to take a humble approach to the mystery. A Universe from Nothing, famed astrophysicist Lawrence M. Krauss claims to have shown why the latest physics proves that God is not necessary to explain the universe’s existence and features. He asserts that the universe came from “nothing” rather than from God. However, the different “nothings” that Krauss appeals to for his explanations are really “some things”—“some things” that demand nothing less than the existence and involvement of the biblical God. Sorry, there is still a big question mark about the universe’s existence?? My mind just can't get pass nothing into something. There had to be something before.

I really hope scientist can take out the word God. The God particle. Then we will know the mind of God. Sorry, all of the above need to go.

It does seem that
"GOD"
"Christ"
"The Spirit"
is absent from all these engagements.

I wonder why?

If in fact they do exist,
they don't care in the least.

There was a man called Lucrecious who died around 45 BC. He thought that there were no Gods. The church priests were heavily corrupt, and thought only of having sex, and wealth. He said the Gods, if they existed, didn't care about sacrifice or anything human at all, as they had their own problems.

That was an example of the world behaving exactly as it would with no God at all.

He also said something very interesting. That matter was made up of tiny unseen particles. In 45 BC, he came out with the existence of atoms. He was known as brilliant back then, and if he had been born today, he may have become the next Hawking.

Steve

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Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group.
GPUUG Website

Did God come from nothing ? Was there an Uber-God who made our God. Was it the same one who made Zeus, Apollo and the seven ranks of Angels. Or perhaps these were fairy tales that adults could just not outgrow. Was there a competing Uber-God who made Satin (Lucifer?).

Seems kind of silly doesn't it ?? Or maybe things just ARE--no beginning and no end. (Cogito ergo sum)

Quantum particles come from nothing . The why and how make a good substitute for others' version of God.

msattler,

I also apologize for storming out of the original thread. I started a thread way back, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64134
Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans


I feel like Pandora's Box, was opened in the thread. It was Hawking, that i was angry with. He flip-flops.

All the best,
Lynn

As your original thread is closed I will point you to at least one American that does support the "Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story" view in the book "A Universe from Nothing": Why There Is Something Rather than Nothing

by Lawrence M. Krauss, Richard Dawkins

Lawrence M. Krauss, a Canadian/American, is a professor at Arizona State University.

Synopsis

"WHERE DID THE UNIVERSE COME FROM?
WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE IT?
WHAT WILL THE FUTURE BRING?
AND FINALLY, WHY IS THERESOMETHING RATHER THAN NOTHING?"

Lawrence Krauss's provocative answers to these and other timeless questions in a wildly popular lecture now on YouTube have attracted almost a million viewers. The last of these questions in particular has been at the center of religious and philosophical debates about the existence of God, and it's the supposed counterargument to anyone who questions the need for God. As Krauss argues, scientists have, however, historically focused on other, more pressing issues--such as figuring out how the universe actually functions, which can ultimately help us to improve the quality of our lives.

Now, in a cosmological story that rivets as it enlightens, pioneering theoretical physicist Lawrence Krauss explains the groundbreaking new scientific advances that turn the most basic philosophical questions on their heads. One of the few prominent scientists today to have actively crossed the chasm between science and popular culture, Krauss reveals that modern science is addressing the question of why there is something rather than nothing, with surprising and fascinating results. The staggeringly beautiful experimental observations and mind-bending new theories are all described accessibly in A Universe from Nothing, and they suggest that not only can something arise from nothing, something will always arise from nothing.

With his characteristic wry humor and wonderfully clear explanations, Krauss takes us back to the beginning of the beginning, presenting the most recent evidence for how our universe evolved--and the implications for how it's going to end. It will provoke, challenge, and delight readers as it looks at the most basic underpinnings of existence in a whole new way. And this knowledge that our universe will be quite different in the future from today has profound implications and directly affects how we live in the present. As Richard Dawkins has described it: This could potentially be the most important scientific book with implications for supernaturalism since Darwin.

A fascinating antidote to outmoded philosophical and religious thinking, A Universe from Nothing is a provocative, game-changing entry into the debate about the existence of God and everything that exists. "Forget Jesus," Krauss has argued, "the stars died so you could be born."

@Mark & Lynn

Well done, perhaps others could take a lesson in civility from you two :-)

I made the point in the original thread that I never expected everybody to join hands and sing Kumbaya.......

I simply expected it to be more civil without the jousting and poking that ensued.

I expected some negative responses from the many that unleash their tongues around here......especially when the thread got sent to 'politics'.

Just wish some could have expressed their views on the subject without attacking those who they do not agree with.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

@Mark & Lynn

Well done, perhaps others could take a lesson in civility from you two :-)

msattler,

I also apologize for storming out of the original thread. I started a thread way back, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64134
Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans


I feel like Pandora's Box, was opened in the thread. It was Hawking, that i was angry with. He flip-flops.

All the best,
Lynn

No apologies needed......none warranted.
Religion is a special thing that some people hold dear......and some certainly do not.
Those who have it tend to uphold it, well, religiously. And those who do not tend to diss it most vehemently.

Maybe my fault for trying to bring it up on a mostly scientific project's forums, after all, this is not a prayer group we got going here...LOL.

Hawking should be pardoned for all he says......his mind is all that he has, as his body is trying to leave him.

His scientific views have opened many horizons...and he is entitled to his opinion, even if it changes at times. Mine has been known to also.

Your apology, well tendered is accepted, although not needed in the slightest.
Glad to see you stuck around.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

msattler,

I also apologize for storming out of the original thread. I started a thread way back, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=64134
Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans


I feel like Pandora's Box, was opened in the thread. It was Hawking, that i was angry with. He flip-flops.

All the best,
Lynn

Now folks can see why I chose not to participate. Been round the block a few times. I've learnt not to go looking for trouble.

I did not go out looking for trouble, just wanted to share my faith in God.

I did not count on the bashing that would commence.

My faith has not diminished.

I think it was only 1 or 2 of the posters,
(And in this thread, perhaps a new 1.)
Personally, I would like to see your other thread re-opened, as I wished to respond to some of the more recent posts at the end. Namely, scimansteve's bit about Christianity being used to promote slavery. I really think the "all religion is good" (or, "everything about my religion is good") and "all religion is bad" stances are, bluntly put, dishonest.

And I'll get over it, friends.
No problem.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

I can sympathise with Mark here because I think that he created the thread genuinely hoping for some sensible discussion. But I didn't have as much belief in some of the posters around that he did, and I knew how it was likely to turn out. And sadly it did.

+1

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

I think we have an understanding here Bobby. Just wish others did ....