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 Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30878 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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... Business is not a Morality Play, and shouldn't be... What part of ENGLISH common law are you failing to grasp? The part where the King is permitted to grant sovereign corporations the right to do any thing they want? Go back and read Citizens United and have someone teach you about fiduciary duty. Of course you can just keep on with the intentionally offensive troll posts against every person who refuses to do your bidding. One day that will bite you. 
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30878 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Gary... Well, that is like asking the blacksmith as he is forging shackles if he supports slavery, considering your former employment and prison industries.
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30878 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Gary... I think your answer is much more indicative of how prison industries are viewed by police officers and others in power. How they are willing to treat other human beings. You did not even stop to consider that the blacksmith can answer no. Of course if that makes him a hypocrite, what does that make you?
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30878 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Julie  Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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Am I correct Clyde that you are a retired Policeman? If so I can only say that you have a very jaundiced view of the world, maybe due to your service. Oh, ok, thx for clarifying:) rOZZ Music Pictures ID: 1590288 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30878 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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Yes... I have a 'Jaundiced View' of The World, Organizations, Human Nature, and People. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqFUmo8VVg0 That may explain why you feel you must post in every thread with comments attempting to provoke an angry response. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6d8eKvegLI
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20811 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 
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Just one example of (what is or was?) modern day big corporation 'sponsored' 'slavery'? Labour Starbucks began to purchase more fair trade coffee in 2001 because of charges of labor rights violations in Central American plantations. Several competitors, including Nestle, followed suit... There are other examples ongoing not yet in the spotlight... In response, there is such as: Global Exchange Fair Trade Global Exchange’s Fair Trade Program has worked to promote Fair Trade, end child and forced labor and trafficking in the cocoa industry, as well as educate and empower children and adults to advocate for and purchase Fair Trade products. Because Fair Trade cocoa and coffee provide an economically viable way for producers to protect the forests that shade their crops, this campaign has played an equally important role in protecting forest ecosystems and biodiversity... For myself, I still boycott Nestle for what I see as their heinous Marketing and business practices that I consider directly promoted the sickening deaths in some countries 'in need' of the very babies Nestle were supposed to be 'helping'... And you thought plantation slavery was a thing of the past? Do you sponsor such slavery and death? Really "consumerism" and "business" all with no morals? Or just a game of deliberate ignorance? All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1590422 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30878 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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You bitch about American business and then post an example of a Swiss company ..... well, you might ask yourself where Android phones are made, including all the components.
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20811 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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You bitch about American business and then post an example of a Swiss company ..... well, you might ask yourself where Android phones are made, including all the components. Very good distraction there to avoid the original point of the extremes of business-with-no-morals and of the business people being allowed to shirk all responsibility... If you want some American examples, there are the various unsavory news articles of how and where Apple assemble their products. All to sweat maximum profit and the health of the damned assembly workers is damned ignored?... On a slightly different angle but for what I consider is destructive vandalism have been the examples of where Microsoft were found guilty and fined for writing software that issued fake errors to put their competitors out of business, and then there is also Intel famously for their "naughty Intel" whereby Intel compiled code was made to run unnecessarily slowly if the CPU was detected as being an "AMD" CPU despite all the necessary instructions and capability being available. Nasty stuff that has cost everyone dearly. Yet the fines imposed long after the fact demonstrate that such dirty deeds appear to be profitable... Cooperative competition and openness as offered by FLOSS is vastly more productive than the various destructive no-morals business practices we repeatedly suffer to everyone's detriment. Indeed we get expensively slimed. All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1590505 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20811 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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And so CLYDE claims to be "mildly amused" by this thread... To get back on-topic from the troll arguments distraction: Just one example of (what is or was?) modern day big corporation 'sponsored' 'slavery'?... Do you support the businesses by giving them money to do whatever nasty business-with-no-morals with your money?... Really is there "no other way" of business? All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1590540 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30878 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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You bitch about American business and then post an example of a Swiss company ..... well, you might ask yourself where Android phones are made, including all the components. They do not shirk their responsibility, you fail to understand their responsibility; the fiduciary duty to the shareholder is their SOLE responsibility. You may think is should be otherwise, but you will need to convince many countries to change how and what a corporation is if you expect any change. You should start by reading Citizens United and have a lawyer explain fiduciary duty to you as if you were handling some other person's money. Perhaps then you might realize you are upset with the laws of many countries, and take it out on the legislators and not the "persons" caught in the middle.
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ML1 aka The Angel of Morality Said: Do you support the businesses by giving them money to do whatever nasty business-with-no-morals with your money?... Yes, Yes I Do. And You Can Tell From The Pic, I'm Livin' La Vida Loca.  I Scream, but I'm SCREAMING HAPPY ' '  May we All have a METAMORPHOSIS. REASON. GOoD JUDGEMENT and LOVE and ORDER!!!!! 
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20811 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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Note: This Thread is not important. Indeed not for this thread itself in isolation, but... It will not change the world It just might... From ideas are actions born... I think we've agreed that "business-without-restriction-and-without-morals" is unacceptable to the morals of at least some posters on this thread. There is the unholy excuse that the uncaring cruelty of business towards people and the environment at least is excused by the assumed 'requirement' to make the maximum money that is excruciatingly possible for shareholders... And with that, there are various examples of where current legislation and regulation is either too lax or ineffective to uphold current ideas about morals (all dependent on who's morals you might assume!) And that is all to such an extent that we now have over recent years a new force of 'ethical' consumerism with public groups naming and shaming the excesses where regulation has failed. All a nasty game that is still too nasty for the present 'rules' of the game...? Here's where positive ideas in this thread could spur some lobbying for something better. Meanwhile, my morals are such that I shun as far as possible what I see as the worst of business... All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1590813 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20811 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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For a recent USA example: Silicon Valley scrooges paid staff $1.21 an hour in a 122-hour week A successful Silicon Valley firm has admitted paying staff $1.21 an hour and working them for more than 120 hours a week. State officials got involved when an anonymous tipster alerted them to the activities of Electronics For Imaging, an international business based in the Bay Area... So... Really there is no USA slavery?... And so CLYDE claims to be "mildly amused" by this thread... All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1592465 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20811 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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For another recent USA example: US court SHUTS DOWN 'scammers posing as Microsoft, Facebook support staff' Netizens allegedly duped into paying for bogus tech advice The US Federal Trade Commission has shuttered a New York-based tech support business, after scammers allegedly hoodwinked Facebook and Microsoft users into paying hundreds of dollars for tech advice from Pairsys Inc. ... It was claimed that Pairsys tricked consumers into believing that they had security or performance issues with their computers, such as viruses, spyware or system errors. The company apparently duped computer users with cold calls and misleading ads... Do you support the businesses by giving them money to do whatever nasty business-with-no-morals with your money?... So... Some 'morals' appear to be enshrined in law for such as deception... How then is it that deceptive marketing of food and drug products somehow avoid any moral review?... Is this all more a question of who pays the lawyers and lobbyists?... All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1595249 · |
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ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20811 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20
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And for yet more slime-ing... How often is 'antifreeze' added to food and drink? Bottles of a flavoured whisky brand have been removed from shops for containing high levels of an antifreeze ingredient. How often is propylene glycol used in food and drink... ... in North America - where 50g of propylene glycol per kilogram of food or drink is acceptable - made their way to Europe, where the limit on the substance is lower, at 3g per kilogram... ... The headlines have all made reference to antifreeze, but the Fireball situation is completely different to the Austrian wine scandal of 1985. Then diethylene glycol - which can easily kill - was used to improve the flavour of sweet wine. In this instance the substance propylene glycol, while not without controversy, is a common food additive ... also used in e-cigarette manufacturing, says Chris Kinnserley, a food safety expert, though some users have raised concerns that it can cause an allergic reaction, causing throat irritation. As a result some e-cigarette manufacturers have swapped out propylene glycol for vegetable glycerine, a plant-based alternative also used in the food and drink industry... You are what you eat and drink... All in our only one world, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) ID: 1595253 · |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34060 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18
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janneseti  Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 
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And for yet more slime-ing... Does propylene glycol taste good?  It’s also used as a solvent and preservative in personal care products, perfume and make up. I have never tried to add schampoo in my food and drinks. ID: 1596984 · |
The Simonator  Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50
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You are what you eat and drink... I'm currently a peanut butter Kit-Kat. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. 
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