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Message 1739709 - Posted: 4 Nov 2015, 21:07:10 UTC

Quite a story of greed! And the consumers die sooner and poorer...

And quite a story of the ways of 'business' and Marketing:


How one of the most obese countries on earth took on the soda giants

Mexicans love their soda...

In fact, Mexicans drink more soda than nearly anyone else in the world; their top three daily sources of calories in 2012 were all high-calorie drinks. Mexico also has by far the world’s highest death rate from chronic diseases caused by consumption of sugary drinks – nearly triple that of the runner-up, South Africa. In other words, excessive consumption of soda kills twice as many Mexicans as trade in the other kind of coke that Mexico is famous for.

But Mexico also loves the soda industry...

Reduce soda consumption, Rivera replied. ... to illustrate the ideal balance for daily beverage intake. The idea was to put a poster with the jug in every health centre. “It never happened,” said Rivera. “Opposition from the industry was tremendous.”...

... shown again and again that diet is a far more important factor in obesity than exercise. And over the last two decades, the Mexican diet has been transformed. Consumption of beans dropped by half. In the last 14 years, consumption of fruit and vegetables dropped by 30% – largely replaced by processed food and sugar-sweetened beverages...

... little stores sell packaged biscuits, pastries, doughnuts and cakes, and sodas and non-carbonated sweetened drinks. When you’re hungry, you can buy a Gansito snack cake and a soda for about a dollar. It’s fast and cheap and delicious.

The evidence is overwhelming that excess sugar consumption is the largest factor in the global obesity epidemic. Excess sugar is also by far the most important driver of diabetes, even among thin people...

What keeps soda executives up at night is the spectre of a soda tax. They don’t worry about lost revenue or sales from a tax – it’s the demonisation of their product. Soda is on the verge of becoming the liquid cigarette. So the industry seeks to break the link between soda and disease, and backs research to support that view. Its companies cultivate a health-conscious image – a tactic that, conveniently, also sells beverages. Coca-Cola’s promotion of thousands of sporting events in Mexico is also a key marketing and advertising strategy. And if they can’t actually win friends, companies spend like crazy to buy them. There was a time when Philip Morris and British American Tobacco did all these things, too...

... The decline started slowly but accelerated: by December 2014, soda sales were down 12% from December 2013. And the drop was greatest among the poorest Mexicans – by December they were buying 17% less sweetened soda than the year before. (Terrazas was right – the tax does affect the poor disproportionately. But so does diabetes.)...

... “The governments of Colombia, Ecuador, other Latin American countries, South Africa, India – they’re all looking at a soda tax. The world’s attention is on Mexico.”




And the Marketing victims be slimed to an unnatural early death...

Really only a question of "education"?...


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Message 1739810 - Posted: 5 Nov 2015, 4:37:52 UTC

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Message 1745844 - Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 15:13:50 UTC - in response to Message 1739709.  
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Quite a story of greed! And the consumers die sooner and poorer...

And quite a story of the ways of 'business' and Marketing:


How one of the most obese countries on earth took on the soda giants

Mexicans love their soda...

... But Mexico also loves the soda industry...

... The decline started slowly but accelerated: by December 2014, soda sales were down 12% from December 2013. And the drop was greatest among the poorest Mexicans – by December they were buying 17% less sweetened soda than the year before. (Terrazas was right – the tax does affect the poor disproportionately. But so does diabetes.)...

... “The governments of Colombia, Ecuador, other Latin American countries, South Africa, India – they’re all looking at a soda tax. The world’s attention is on Mexico.”



Closer to home here in the UK for just one positive ripple against the sickly sweet Marketing?

Tax on sugary drinks backed by MPs

A tax on sugary drinks should be introduced as part of a "bold and urgent" set of measures to tackle child obesity in England, MPs say. ...



And the Marketing victims be slimed to an unnatural early death...

Really only a question of "education"?...



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Message 1745880 - Posted: 30 Nov 2015, 19:49:53 UTC - in response to Message 1739810.  

The real slime ... Sugar v. HFCS
http://mynewsla.com/business/2015/11/04/false-advertising-litigation-between-big-sugar-big-corn-opens-in-l-a/


And a big fat court seal
http://www.eater.com/2015/11/20/9772470/sugar-corn-syrup-lawsuit-settlement
"The parties jointly announce today that they have reached a settlement of a lawsuit pending in U.S. District Court for the Central District of California.

"The details of the settlement agreement are confidential.

"The Parties continue their commitments to practices that encourage safe and healthful use of their products, including moderation in the consumption of table sugar, high fructose corn syrup and other sweeteners."

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Message 1750133 - Posted: 18 Dec 2015, 17:24:30 UTC

All "just" a game of Marketing lies?


Australia pulls Nurofen products over 'misleading claims'

An Australian court has ordered products in the Nurofen pain relief range off the shelves, saying the UK-based manufacturer misled consumers.

The court said products marketed to treat specific pains, such as migraines, were identical to one another.

Research also found the products were sold for almost double the price of Nurofen's standard product...



So... There you have the same one product, but packaged in cardboard that has different claims on the outside claiming something uniquely 'special'...

There might be a small case to say that what the packaging says possibly could give a beneficial placebo effect. However, I would personally suspect that the only research done for that in this case is for how much price gouging could be conned out of the sufferers...


To my mind (and all of my own personal opinion), I consider that as some very slimy Marketing...

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Message 1750348 - Posted: 19 Dec 2015, 6:31:10 UTC - in response to Message 1750133.  
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ML1, some are better at it than others, but everyone does it, especially governments.
Marketing: noun
the action or business of promoting and selling products or services, including market research and advertising.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing
Marketing is the adaptation of the commercial activities and use of institutions by the organizations with a purpose to induce behavioral change on a short-term or permanent basis.
...
The techniques used in marketing include choosing target markets through market analysis and market segmentation, as well as understanding methods of influence on the consumer behavior. The marketing planning creates strategies for the company to place advertising to the dedicated consumer.

From a societal point of view, marketing provides the link between a society's material requirements and its economic patterns of response. This way marketing satisfies these needs and wants through the development of exchange processes and the building of long-term relationships.

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Message 1750909 - Posted: 21 Dec 2015, 21:17:59 UTC - in response to Message 1750348.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marketing

... purpose to induce behavioral change on a short-term or permanent basis.
...
... as well as understanding methods of influence on the consumer behavior.



So... We freely allow such methods to be used on the unaware to be exploited in schools and elsewhere? Even when there is clearly harm being done to the 'target audience'/victims?...

What a nasty selfish world to suffer!


Meanwhile, for one small step to give people a chance to grow up against the power of Marketing:



Tasmanian government plans to raise minimum smoking age to 21 or 25

Most public health experts welcome the move, which would be a first for Australia if the proposed legislation goes ahead




Is Marketing too overtly insidious for our own good?...

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Message 1750913 - Posted: 21 Dec 2015, 21:36:17 UTC
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And another unhealthy side effect of going too intensive for producing food:


Bacteria that resist 'last antibiotic' in UK

... "The routine preventative use in farming of colistin, and all antibiotics important in human medicine, needs to be banned immediately."

The Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs said colistin made up just 0.2% of the antibiotics used in livestock in the UK.

A spokesperson said: "We are enhancing our surveillance for colistin resistance, and veterinary prescribers have voluntarily updated prescribing guidelines to restrict use of colistin in animals."




Meanwhile, that 'misuse' of "just 0.2%" is enough to breed resistance to our Human medicines that could well kill...


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Message 1750943 - Posted: 21 Dec 2015, 22:59:09 UTC - in response to Message 1750909.  

So... We freely allow such methods to be used on the unaware to be exploited in schools and elsewhere?
If you wish to talk about the failures of the educational system to prepare persons to enter society -- see the marketing for what it is and avoid its influence -- I believe there is an education thread.
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Message 1750948 - Posted: 21 Dec 2015, 23:02:51 UTC - in response to Message 1750913.  

And another unhealthy side effect of going too intensive for producing food:
Not just food. Go to Doctor, demand pill for virus. It doesn't harm the patient in front of them so they don't violate their oath. They get paid and they get the drug company kickback. All good, until all of humanity drops from the superbug.
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Message 1751482 - Posted: 24 Dec 2015, 12:00:47 UTC

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Message 1765865 - Posted: 17 Feb 2016, 23:25:28 UTC - in response to Message 1745844.  
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... Closer to home here in the UK for just one positive ripple against the sickly sweet Marketing?

Tax on sugary drinks backed by MPs

A tax on sugary drinks should be introduced as part of a "bold and urgent" set of measures to tackle child obesity in England, MPs say. ...


A stiff deterrent is also needed to avoid the unwitting adult exposure to grossly unhealthy drinks... 25 spoonfulls of sugar in a drink cannot be good for anything:


'Shocking' sugar levels in High Street hot drinks...

... some of the worst cases the drinks contained 20 or more teaspoons of sugar.

Coffee shop chains Starbucks, Costa and Caffe Nero said they were committed to reducing sugar content in their drinks.

The drinks assessed included flavoured coffees such as mochas and lattes, hot fruit drinks and hot chocolates from coffee shops and fast food chains.

The charity found that 98% [ALMOST ALL] of the drinks tested would receive a red nutritional value label for high sugar content...

... Starbucks' venti Grape with Chai, Orange and Cinnamon Hot Mulled Fruit was found to have the highest sugar content of the drinks tested, with 25 teaspoons of sugar per serving, the campaign group said.

Costa's massimo eat-in Chai Latte was found to contain 20 teaspoons of sugar...

... Professor Graham MacGregor, Action on Sugar chairman, said the group's report highlighted "yet again another example of scandalous amounts of sugar added to our food and drink".

"No wonder we have the highest rates of obesity in Europe,"...



Unbelievable. Boycott such stupidity for your own good health!?

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Message 1779266 - Posted: 15 Apr 2016, 9:42:38 UTC
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Quite a revelation:



Dolmio and Uncle Ben's firm advises limit on [eating food] products

The firm behind Dolmio pasta sauces and Uncle Ben's rice says some products should only be consumed once a week due to high salt, sugar or fat content...

... Mars said its website would be updated over the next few months with a list of "occasional" products to be eaten not more than once a week, and "everyday" ones.

Those products, including Uncle Ben's oriental sauces, are to be reformulated over the next five years to cut salt, sugar or fat.

Nutritionist Laura De La Harpe ... it should not be difficult to reduce the sugar content of products.

"The tomatoes are quite sweet anyway," she said. "I think they need to trial it I suppose, and just bring it right down to a natural level. I think what would concern me would be if they start adding sweeteners, artificial sweeteners to replace the sugar."...






So... Knowingly unhealthy all along?...

Unfortunately, that sort of example is likely badly unhealthy across all "processed foods" manufacturers...


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Message 1780380 - Posted: 19 Apr 2016, 11:35:54 UTC

Here's hoping for a little less unhealthy sliming of our world and ourselves from the pollution and poisoning from Big Agribusiness:


Europe bans two endocrine-disrupting weedkillers

The European commission has ordered a ground-breaking moratorium on two endocrine-disrupting weedkillers that have been linked to thyroid cancer, infertility, reproductive problems and foetal malformations...

... Amitrole was responsible for the “great cranberry crisis” of 1959 which collapsed the $50m-a-year US cranberry industry, after residues of the weedkiller were found on harvested berries.

Research was already linking the chemical to suppressed thyroid function in rats and the encouragement of tumours. Protests reached such a pitch that ‘Miss Cranberry’ of Modesto, California, hung an effigy of the US health minister, Arthur S Flemming.



So... If we have know of all this since 1959... Why so long before banning such poison?...


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Message 1781272 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 12:35:17 UTC - in response to Message 1779266.  

Is this where foods have been turned into addictive drugs to make you crave?...



Why is there so much sugar in some savoury foods?

There's growing concern over too much added sugar in soft drinks, but there's also added sugar in many savoury foods. Why?...

... One brand of ketchup - Tesco Finest - contains 38.1g of sugar per 100g. That's higher than the 34g in every 100g of Belgian chocolate sauce from the same Tesco range...

... It might be argued ketchup - as a condiment - is something designed to be used only sparingly but there are many cooking sauces and ready meals that have surprisingly high sugar contents. ...

... Sugar acts as a balance to the bitterness or sourness of other flavours, such as salt or spices, which means the sweetness isn't tasted but still gives the body the effects of a "sugar rush", just as foods such as chocolate do. So some savoury foods are having the same effect on the body as sweet ones, and causing similar cravings, but with a different taste.

"The brain's saying 'Give me more like that'," says Smith. "It's getting lots of sugar without you actually knowing, so is less able than when eating sweets to say 'I've had enough. Stop now.' It's morally dubious that so much sugar is in things that people don't know or recognise from their tasting...



To my personal opinion: Very slimy indeed...


So... Knowingly unhealthy all along?...

Unfortunately, that sort of example is likely badly unhealthy across all "processed foods" manufacturers...



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Message 1781281 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 13:06:54 UTC - in response to Message 1215513.  

prefer not to.


No more McDonald's
no more Taco Bell
no more listeria meat (pressed meat)
We don't feel like we can't trust what big food companies are telling us.


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Message 1781309 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 16:05:29 UTC - in response to Message 1781272.  

ketchup - 38.1g of sugar per 100g
Don't you read food labels?! ketchup (catsup) = sugar!

To my personal opinion: Very slimy indeed...
ketchup recipes date from way before the slime period or translation: A chief that makes good tasting food is promoting slime!

Martin, take some responsibility for yourself. I learned ketchup = sugar in grade school. Your outrage and shock over something you should have learned when a child ... In any case, you live in a capitalist world. They will make money off you. Every time you close your eyes and don't read a label or care, they make extra money off you! Take your portion of responsibility for yourself or be exploited! The government isn't and can't coddle you from cradle to grave. They aren't going to helicopter parent you. You must make the decisions for yourself. No one else will.
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Message 1781334 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 17:13:39 UTC - in response to Message 1781272.  

The sugar in ketchup is from two sources of about equal amounts, the tomatoes and other vegetables, and the sugar.

Most, probably all, ketchup's, Chutney's and Relish's are sweet and therefore I would have a hard job saying they are savoury.

They are used to enhance flavour and sugar is a flavour enhancer, and if you go back and look at some WW2 recipes you will find some vegetables, notably carrots used as a sweetener.

For chocolate all the sweetness is from added sugar.

Sorry Martin, or should that be Marlon, a non-story and you're not meant to have 1" thick tomato ketchup butties.



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Message 1781350 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 18:48:26 UTC - in response to Message 1781334.  

The sugar in ketchup is from two sources of about equal amounts, the tomatoes and other vegetables, and the sugar.

Most, probably all, ketchup's, Chutney's and Relish's are sweet and therefore I would have a hard job saying they are savoury.

They are used to enhance flavour and sugar is a flavour enhancer, and if you go back and look at some WW2 recipes you will find some vegetables, notably carrots used as a sweetener.

For chocolate all the sweetness is from added sugar.

Sorry Martin, or should that be Marlon, a non-story and you're not meant to have 1" thick tomato ketchup butties.

It's NOT a non-story
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
"Sugar intake 'should be halved'," BBC News reports. The headline is prompted by a government report that recommends no more than 5% of our calorie intake should come from "free sugars". The previous recommendation was 10%.
The new advice says children aged 11 or over and adults should consume no more than seven teaspoons of added sugar a day – 30g, equal to less than a single can of Coca-Cola, which contains 39g.

It's very difficult to a consumer to find sugarless food today.
Certainly if you want to eat less than 30 grams per day.
There was a documentary here that illustrated that very well.
First they showed a picture of shelves today in a supermarket packed with goods.
Then a picture of shelves when all products with sugar was taken away.
It looked like a country in war time.
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Message 1781366 - Posted: 22 Apr 2016, 20:29:18 UTC - in response to Message 1781350.  

But as per Martin's OP about ketchup, who eats 100g per day, not even my sister when she was young and she would have had it place of milk on her corn flakes.

But most people would eat 100gm of chocolate every day, except me, as I don't like most UK brands, and the others tend to be expensive.

I can agree, just about, with the 30gm of added sugar/day. But I don't like sugar substitutes. They would appear to tell the body "here's some energy", but there is none, so the body say's "give me more energy", So the person over eats.

Plus the governments say eat 5, or is 7 now, portions of fruit and veg a day, . Here in the UK a lot of food isn't marked to say what is a portion. But a lot, in fact most contain sugars. As I pointed out in my previous post, half the sugars in ketchup are from fruit and veg. So probably only 20gms of added sugar/100gm of ketchup.

And how much ketchup do you eat/day?
The 910gm bottle in my fidge is about 6 weeks old and still half full, and that's for two of us plus any youngest ate on two w/end visits. (about 50gm/person/week)
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