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arkayn Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 4438 Credit: 55,006,323 RAC: 0 |
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Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13727 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Why does the installer not insert <flops> lines? Because, eventually, they'll fix the DCF problem. Then there'll be all sorts of hell involved with WUs timing out etc. Grant Darwin NT |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
if the installer has been delayed cause Eric ... why not take time to put Nvidia Cuda AP6 appl in it ? /p Because it's still in Alpha testing and isn't good enough to be put in the installer yet, when the 100% CPU Bug has been fixed and it's fully thread safe then it'll be in the installler, and not a moment before that. Claggy |
Oddbjornik Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 220 Credit: 349,610,548 RAC: 1,728 |
It looks like SETI V7 is out. Splitters are running, cricket is maxed, and at the same time "old SETI" workunits out in the field on the stats page is slowly sinking. I guess this means that everyone running the Lunatics apps should prepare to panic! We won't be getting much new work until we get some new apps! |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
It looks like SETI V7 is out. Splitters are running, cricket is maxed, and at the same time "old SETI" workunits out in the field on the stats page is slowly sinking. Unlikely since there is no v7 apps listed on the applications page, more likely a combination of Astropulse v6 and a shortie storm causing the cricket to be maxed out and the status page to show minimal MB tasks ready to send. Claggy |
Oddbjornik Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 220 Credit: 349,610,548 RAC: 1,728 |
Hmm... I'm not seeing any shortie storm on my computers, and the result creation rate is low... Nothing to do but wait and see, I think. |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
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LadyL Send message Joined: 14 Sep 11 Posts: 1679 Credit: 5,230,097 RAC: 0 |
Well, a nice "old apps" comparison with comparable hardware. You can expect a few more % from AP v6.01 r555/r557 and some 20-25% extra if you have AVX ;) I'm not the Pope. I don't speak Ex Cathedra! |
cliff Send message Joined: 16 Dec 07 Posts: 625 Credit: 3,590,440 RAC: 0 |
Can anyone tell me what happens if an app_info.xml get removed/corrupted without it being uninstalled or the project reset? Will Boinc simply revert to using stock apps if it cant find the app_info file or will it go bonkers and error out any WU in the cache? Cheers, Cliff, Been there, Done that, Still no damm T shirt! |
Cosmic_Ocean Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 3027 Credit: 13,516,867 RAC: 13 |
I tried that at first. Just simply deleting it doesn't really appear to do a whole lot. Deleting the EXEs that were described in the app_info really annoys BOINC and it then tries to re-download them. What a project reset does is goes into client_state and basically purges everything except host-specific stuff (computer ID, account, etc). I cleared it out manually by going and finding the two or three entries in client_state that referenced r409 and just simply removed them. Once I got assigned a new v6 AP, all the needed files were downloaded automatically. On hindsight, since I did all of that with an empty cache, hitting the reset button would have been really easy. I believe it gets slightly (and I do mean ever-so-slightly) trickier when going stock->opt. Do the app_info and put the new EXEs in the right place, and then delete the stock ones, and it's -supposed- to figure it out and keep going. edit: Realized I didn't exactly answer your question. As I was told earlier in this thread, if you just simply hit the reset button, tasks that were partially-crunched and ones waiting to run will be purged. You -should- get them re-sent to you, along with the stock apps. Linux laptop: record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up) |
cliff Send message Joined: 16 Dec 07 Posts: 625 Credit: 3,590,440 RAC: 0 |
Right:-) What concerned me was that Vince got hammered with a nasty the other day, and it occured to me that if some rootkit or other nasty gets onto a rig who knows what it screws up, moves or simply deletes. And I do a fair bit of sniffing around the web.. Methinks a backup protocol for boinc is required.. even if its just the app_info and exes, and an archive of the sub dir that the lunatics installer puts the stock apps in. Just in case. Regards, Cliff, Been there, Done that, Still no damm T shirt! |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Most rootkits won't give a damn about your BOINC data directory. Not unless someone with a BOINC hatred writes one that specifically attacks BOINC data directories, do I think you need to worry about anything. If you want to backup BOINC, backup the full data directory, with all sub-directories and files. Else, BOINC has built in redundancy where if you can't return the work, it'll time out and be sent to another computer which will do the work instead. And if your system does get compromised in some form or way, after you cleaned up the mess, you can usually just reinstall BOINC and continue where you left off (due to the work being in the separate data directory). Having the data directory live on a disk or partition separate from your Windows partition is without doubt the best solution. Then only a full drive fail will break your ability to return the work. |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
Right:-) What concerned me was that Vince got hammered with a nasty the other day, and it occured to me that if some rootkit or other nasty gets onto a rig who knows what it screws up, moves or simply deletes. I do something like this during my nightly backup schedule. My data directory resides an a separate physical drive from the EXEs, which are on the system drive. The backup includes an image of the system drive and all of the data drive except the projects, slots, & symbols folders. By the way does anybody know if David has had a chance to look at the GPU zero results problem? I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I believe it gets slightly (and I do mean ever-so-slightly) trickier when going stock->opt. Do the app_info and put the new EXEs in the right place, and then delete the stock ones, and it's -supposed- to figure it out and keep going. Even easier than that. Place the app_info. Place the new exes. Restart BOINC. No need to delete anything. On Windows, you could even get the Lunatics Installer to do all three steps for you, including - from next week - the apps for Astropulse v6.. |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
By the way does anybody know if David has had a chance to look at the GPU zero results problem? Do you mean the 'zero credit for results' problem that was holding us up? I'm just looking at changeset [trac]changeset:25484[/trac], posted half an hour ago: scheduler: fix bug that could cause zero credit for the first few jobs of a new application That sounds like the one, with a plausible resolution. |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
By the way does anybody know if David has had a chance to look at the GPU zero results problem? That's very good news. Tell David THANKS!! from all of us. I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
Hmmm, now, not impressed. Had two of those AP v6.01s and they both ran for all of 2 seconds. What's the use of downloading 16MB worth of data that runs all together 4 seconds, less even when you count CPU time (0.39 + 0.41 seconds)? ;-) |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
Hmmm, now, not impressed. Had two of those AP v6.01s and they both ran for all of 2 seconds. What's the use of downloading 16MB worth of data that runs all together 4 seconds, less even when you count CPU time (0.39 + 0.41 seconds)? ;-) Matt's Technical News post from Thursday: Other progress: we finally launched the new splitters which are sensitive to VGC values and thus skip (most) noisy data blocks instead of splitting them into workunits that will return quickly and clog up our pipeline. Yay! However there were unexpected results last night: turns out it's actually slower to parse such a noisy data file and skip bad blocks than to just split everything, so splitters were getting stuck on these files and not generating work. Oops. We ran out of multi-beam work last night due to this, and I reverted back this morning just to the plumbing working again. I'm going to change the logic to be a little more aggressive and thus speed up skipping through noisy files, and implement that next week. At least it won't bump your APR up to unbelievable high values now, Claggy |
Jord Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15184 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 3 |
At least it won't bump your APR up to unbelievable high values now, No, they left me with no APR. What is the unbelievably high value, though? |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
At least it won't bump your APR up to unbelievable high values now, I think we've seen it up into the TeraFlop range. 2 TFlop, IIRC. |
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