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Jamie Send message Joined: 5 Apr 06 Posts: 162 Credit: 9,867,955 RAC: 0 |
Apologies to the wingman of this task http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949723323, would have PM'd you but you're set to anonymous Sorry you didn't get any credits for this v6 AP, but I'm testing the GPU AP app for the Lunatics. Luckily this task would have granted very little credit as it was a 100% blanked task (only reason I pushed it through so soon) I won't be pushing any more v6 tasks with the opt app for a bit longer (next week at earliest now and hopefully then only early exit tasks so no-one loses any credits) |
AndrewM Send message Joined: 5 Jan 08 Posts: 369 Credit: 34,275,196 RAC: 0 |
Astropulse V5 no longer appears on my task list or as a Preference option. A minor change since yesterday. AndrewM |
Cosmic_Ocean Send message Joined: 23 Dec 00 Posts: 3027 Credit: 13,516,867 RAC: 13 |
I don't know how many other people have started getting validated v6 tasks, but I got my first one. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949435827 591.58. Slightly lower than the 650-750 that 505 had as an average, but it's not ridiculously low like was suggested as a possibility. Linux laptop: record uptime: 1511d 20h 19m (ended due to the power brick giving-up) |
shizaru Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 1130 Credit: 1,967,904 RAC: 0 |
I don't know how many other people have started getting validated v6 tasks, but I got my first one. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949435827 591.58. Slightly lower than the 650-750 that 505 had as an average, but it's not ridiculously low like was suggested as a possibility. I hate to break it to you, but it looks like it took twice as long, to get that credit. |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
I don't know how many other people have started getting validated v6 tasks, but I got my first one. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949435827 591.58. Slightly lower than the 650-750 that 505 had as an average, but it's not ridiculously low like was suggested as a possibility. and if had run annoymous platform then he would have done it faster, but would have got NO Credit. Claggy |
shizaru Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 1130 Credit: 1,967,904 RAC: 0 |
I don't know how many other people have started getting validated v6 tasks, but I got my first one. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949435827 591.58. Slightly lower than the 650-750 that 505 had as an average, but it's not ridiculously low like was suggested as a possibility. So we've "updated" to "outdated" already?:) I thought these were Lunatics apps, but now I'm guessing that's just for upcoming MB. |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
I don't know how many other people have started getting validated v6 tasks, but I got my first one. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949435827 591.58. Slightly lower than the 650-750 that 505 had as an average, but it's not ridiculously low like was suggested as a possibility. No, it's just that until there's enough Stock AP v6 validations, annoymous platform validations give both hosts Zero Credit, see my Beta host's validations from last Dec: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/results.php?hostid=45274&offset=120&show_names=1&state=0&appid=14 Claggy |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I don't know how many other people have started getting validated v6 tasks, but I got my first one. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949435827 591.58. Slightly lower than the 650-750 that 505 had as an average, but it's not ridiculously low like was suggested as a possibility. No, MB is MB and AP is AP. We haven't updated yet, because we're ahead of the project and they aren't ready for us yet. A certain amount of pump-priming has to take place, before everything is ready to rumble. |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
... Less and more. The project doesn't have the resources to make GPU applications, so the intent is that Lunatics GPU apps adapted as possible to suit a very broad range of GPUs will at some point be stock issue. The project does make their own CPU applications, so Lunatics contributions there are in the form of source code. None of that is set in stone, but would apply to both AP and MB. The need for AP v6 came from a correction further back in the pipeline, and was intended to be a minimal change in the science application to adapt to a corrected dispersion sign. Eric took the opportunity to also add needed changes for reliable indication of which task runtimes should not be included in BOINC averages. But it was not an opportunity to add optimizations to the source code AFAIK. Joe |
shizaru Send message Joined: 14 Jun 04 Posts: 1130 Credit: 1,967,904 RAC: 0 |
Since I managed to stir up three Seti gurus and only one understood what I was trying to say, I feel the need to apologize for two things. My noobness and my chronic talent for being far too laconic. Joe nailed it. I thought Lunatics apps were being adopted across the board as stock and that Astro V6 was the first to roll out... My mistake. Now I know it's just for the GPU app:) Thanx guys. Edit: Joe wrote: But it was not an opportunity to add optimizations to the source code AFAIK. |
Urs Echternacht Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 692 Credit: 135,197,781 RAC: 211 |
I have two questions for those in the know about the new V6 AP apps. About your 2. Q : There will be optimized 32bit and 64bit APv6 versions for Linux available as soon as the validator/credit issues here are called off. The source code (r546) will be also available at lunatics. But don't expect a tarball, 7z compresses better these days. _\|/_ U r s |
Sakletare Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 132 Credit: 23,423,829 RAC: 0 |
I don't know how many other people have started getting validated v6 tasks, but I got my first one. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949435827 591.58. Slightly lower than the 650-750 that 505 had as an average, but it's not ridiculously low like was suggested as a possibility. I've got one validated, a few more waiting for wingmen. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949515471 |
Sakletare Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 132 Credit: 23,423,829 RAC: 0 |
Speaking about AP v6. This workunit caught my attention. Look at _0, he got less that a day to finish. That's strange, haven't seen it in any of my other AP v6. http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=949641584 |
Cliff Harding Send message Joined: 18 Aug 99 Posts: 1432 Credit: 110,967,840 RAC: 67 |
That's the server telling you and showing up in log. The option is whether to be told in the notices tab. (plus all the ballon stuff, if not disabled) He seeems to be doing something right. If you look at his tasks, he has six AP6 v6.01 in the mill. Two got d/l'ed with errors, two in progress, and two that are completed and validated. All with BOINC 4.45.0 running stock apps. I don't buy computers, I build them!! |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
Speaking about AP v6. This workunit caught my attention. Look at _0, he got less that a day to finish. A well known side effect of the resend lost work mechanism is that an MB .vlar task may be expired immediately when the Scheduler is checking whether it can resend the task to a CUDA GPU, see message 1112328. This is probably the same thing, an AP v6 task also cannot be sent to a CUDA GPU. Joe |
OTS Send message Joined: 6 Jan 08 Posts: 369 Credit: 20,533,537 RAC: 0 |
I have two questions for those in the know about the new V6 AP apps. The link you mentioned, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php, indicates at the top of that page that “The current version of the application will be downloaded to your computer. This happens automatically; you don't have to do anything†After almost 24 hours it still hasn’t downloaded. The message I receive is: “Message from server: Your app_info.xml file doesn't have a usable version of AstroPulse v6.†Perhaps the “you don’t have to do anything†statement only applies to Window downloads????? |
Gundolf Jahn Send message Joined: 19 Sep 00 Posts: 3184 Credit: 446,358 RAC: 0 |
Perhaps the “you don’t have to do anything†statement only applies to Window downloads????? No, it applies to downloads of the stock applications, from which you have refrained by using an app_info.xml (anonymous platform). Gruß, Gundolf |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
The link you mentioned, http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php, indicates at the top of that page that “The current version of the application will be downloaded to your computer. This happens automatically; you don't have to do anything†Any host which has an app_info.xml is not eligible to get stock applications automatically. Stock applications are made for a specific platform, going anonymous platform means the user must supply the applications and tell BOINC what work they can do. For AP v6 that is not yet a good thing to do, it causes zero credit grants for both the anonymous platform host and the wingmate. The page I linked indicates how to go back to a stock configuration, which would allow the stock Linux app to be automatically delivered. Joe |
Richard Haselgrove Send message Joined: 4 Jul 99 Posts: 14650 Credit: 200,643,578 RAC: 874 |
I have two questions for those in the know about the new V6 AP apps. No. BOINC has two quite separate modes of operation, both of which apply across all platforms - Windows, Linux, Mac, and sometimes others too. The first, and commonest, is what we refer to in shorthand as "stock" applications. These are what new users receive automatically when they first join a project. The line you quote from the Applications page was written with that distribution method in mind - appropriately, since it's attached to a listing of the current stock applications. Replacements and updates for stock applications are indeed distributed automatically through BOINC's internal mechanisms. The second mode of operation is called "Anonymous platform". It is intended to allow people to compile and run their own applications for unusual hardware or operating systems - SPARC processors running Solaris, for example. But we make use of it here to allow the distribution of third-party optimised applications for mainstream operating systems too. The fact that your message refers to "Your app_info.xml file" means that you're already running under the Anonymous Platform mechanism - although you probably didn't know it by that name. The app_info.xml file is an essential part of the Anonymous Platform system - you'll see those words alongside your allocated tasks on this web site. Because the Anonymous Platform mechanism is designed to support applications unknown to the project, it bypasses and disables the automatic distribution channel. Completely, I'm afraid - once you install an app_info.xml file, no new applications will be downloaded automatically. All future updating becomes your responsibility. That's why we encourage people - perhaps not as often as we should - to keep visiting these message boards for updated information after they install any optimised application. |
Sakletare Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 132 Credit: 23,423,829 RAC: 0 |
Speaking about AP v6. This workunit caught my attention. Look at _0, he got less that a day to finish. Might be. Though I have never seen it on an AP workunit. |
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