We both claim English.

Yes, of course you are. There are millions of people who are English, but as the title of this thread is suggesting: England as a country doesn't exist. No Englishman has a passport which states that his/her country is England.

It's very strange since there is a football team claiming to represent the country "England" trying to win the world cup, a cricket team which tries to win the ashes for "England" and a rugby team which represents "England" in the world. Yet none of those players belong to a country officially known as "England". Even BOINC does not allow you to choose "England" as a country; you have to settle for "United Kingdom".

Exactly! and if the IOC, FIFA, & EU had their way, there would be only one team allowed in those sports: Great Britain/United Kingdom.

I can't see the NIFA, SFA,WFA or FA stand for that....it would mean many of them no longer in power or getting high salaries...

...and as for Cricket, the Aussies would love that to happen....(no way Jose!)

As for the Atletics side, not my cup of tea, but I'm sure the respective associations would be in a fit as well...

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We both claim English.

Yes, of course you are. There are millions of people who are English, but as the title of this thread is suggesting: England as a country doesn't exist. No Englishman has a passport which states that his/her country is England.

It's very strange since there is a football team claiming to represent the country "England" trying to win the world cup, a cricket team which tries to win the ashes for "England" and a rugby team which represents "England" in the world. Yet none of those players belong to a country officially known as "England". Even BOINC does not allow you to choose "England" as a country; you have to settle for "United Kingdom".

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I cannot say that I know any "Englishmen" that say they are British before being English. But I do know some of mixed ancestry that do.

But some questions, what makes a person a person of an area, county or country. Where they were born, where their father or mother were born, where they live or any other reason?

My fathers family is from Lancashire, the house my grandfather was born in still stands. But my father was born in India, my grandmother is from Stockport or Manchester (depends on which map you believe). I was born in Germany and have German and British birth certificates. My youngest son was also born in Germany but in a British Military Hospital. My ex is from London, or so she said, but actually was born in Middlesex but it is now in Surrey.

According to the last two census reports, at least, my son and I are both classed as immigrants.
My mothers family were all born in East Sussex, for many generations.

My youngest sons case is the most odd, because just before he was born the Goverment passed a law that said all person born outside the UK were not British. And therefore he has two special letters attached to his birth certificate explaining and certifying that he is British.

So what nationality are my son and I? We both claim English.

Should England be a nation unto itself? Many have said that it's Britain or the United Kingdom.

As far as I'm aware, the United Kingdom of great Britain & Nortern Ireland is made up of 3 nations & 1 colony (Both the British & Irish governments do not recognise Northern Ireland as a seperate nation - A view I personally agree with - if this is to be debated, head over to the Ireland thread))

England, Scotland, Wales & Nortern Ireland. I cannot understand why many an Englishman prefers to be known as British - methinks No Pride & they prefer to live according to the current Political Correctness of the day - poor fools them then....

Why shouldn't one be able to be proud of one's nation or is that a sin in today's world?

Even the yanks could join in on this thread...they have New York, Boston, New England & their main language is English (Albeit Americanised).

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