What current nanotechnology advancing today will enable current batteries run 10 times more length than todays usual expectations in a few years. I hope people here read some tech news.

Another ways what usual prediction of pocket computing will take over pc's is actually coming starting this year at last in boinc world just admit it.

Plus that recompiling of boinc and its applications are "really worry some barrier" for the young coders.

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I wonder how you would water cool a telephone...... :D

Steve

The cooling websites will soon be marketing a new line of watercooling baggies, with sealing grommets for cable entry. Then just drop 'er in your fish tank.

You know I was just thinking. What do we need cables for when you could just use a power mat. Vacuum seal the phones, so you can still use the touchscreen. Then drop them in the pool with a power mat under the tank.

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I wonder how you would water cool a telephone...... :D

Steve

The cooling websites will soon be marketing a new line of watercooling baggies, with sealing grommets for cable entry. Then just drop 'er in your fish tank.

You know I was just thinking. What do we need cables for when you could just use a power mat. Vacuum seal the phones, so you can still use the touchscreen. Then drop them in the pool with a power mat under the tank.

Yeah, Now there at last is portable pocket computing.

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I've often thought about talking into a aquarium bound smartphone that has a power mat taped to the bottom. Heck those goldfish ladden Platform shoes will look like yesterday's news with this on your ear

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I've often thought about talking into a aquarium bound smartphone that has a power mat taped to the bottom. Heck those goldfish ladden Platform shoes will look like yesterday's news with this on your ear

LMAO. I can see a guy now with his GREEN phone BOINC mega cruncher up to his ear, But the fishtank water cooler is the size of those old timey boom boxes.

Thanks for the big laugh skildude:)

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I've often thought about talking into a aquarium bound smartphone that has a power mat taped to the bottom. Heck those goldfish ladden Platform shoes will look like yesterday's news with this on your ear

LMAO. I can see a guy now with his GREEN phone BOINC mega cruncher up to his ear, But the fishtank water cooler is the size of those old timey boom boxes.

Thanks for the big laugh skildude:)

Actually it looks like we won't need waterproof baggies for them.
http://www.smartkeitai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/fujitsu-waterproof-Arrows-tablet-and-smartphones-600x329.jpg

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What current nanotechnology advancing today will enable current batteries run 10 times more length than todays usual expectations in a few years. I hope people here read some tech news.

So link to such tech articles and educate us poorly literate seti crunchers.

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What current nanotechnology advancing today will enable current batteries run 10 times more length than todays usual expectations in a few years. I hope people here read some tech news.

So link to such tech articles and educate us poorly literate seti crunchers.

He only likes to link to such sites that prove his point. He hides them if you can point out what it wont do.

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I've often thought about talking into a aquarium bound smartphone that has a power mat taped to the bottom. Heck those goldfish ladden Platform shoes will look like yesterday's news with this on your ear

LMAO. I can see a guy now with his GREEN phone BOINC mega cruncher up to his ear, But the fishtank water cooler is the size of those old timey boom boxes.

Thanks for the big laugh skildude:)

always a pleasure : )

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My best guess is that software (including operating systems) follows in the footsteps of the continuous hardware development. You do not have or run a 32-bits application unless there already exists hardware support (by means of a processor) in order to make use of such an application.

When Windows 95 came to the market, I remember there was a slight delay before the first applications suitable for this operating system arrived. When they finally became available, they were so in considerable amounts, however.

Windows 95 was a complete operating systems package. My Windows 98 (on a CD-ROM) apparently is an upgrade (possibly to Windows 95 which originally came to me on 13 high density 3.5 inch floppy discs). Because of the hardware platform I was using at that time was not up to the tasks demanded by the software, I probably was not able to use this operating system to its full capacity.

Even Windows XP really is Windows 3.0 (or 3.1) through Windows 95/98 with a new interface towards the user and including a lot of new functionalities.

There are still a couple of bugs in it. The developers always make a Readme-file or a software installation guide program which comes with at least a couple of typographical flaws, sometimes quite annoying ones.

For 64-bit capable processors, you need at least a 32-bits operating system.

Even better, you may be able to install and run a 64-bits operating system if the processor you are using is supporting the 64-bits architecture.

Windows Ultimate, for example, which I do in fact have myself, comes in both 32-bits and 64-bits versions.

However, I have still not had the pleasure of installing BOINC Manager and attaching to projects like Seti@home or PrimeGrid using this operating system.

One of the reasons is that the file and directory system (tree structure, or possibly hierarchy structure) is different than the one that I am used to from Windows XP. PrimeGrid sieving tasks definitely benefits from a 64 bits processor, as far as I know.

The hard discs that I am currently using are 500 GB SATA discs and for the new Windows Ultimate operating system I have already installed both versions of them on two out of three 2 TB SATA discs. The third one gets Windows XP Professional installed for now.

Hopefully I get it working.

Even Windows XP really is Windows 3.0 (or 3.1) through Windows 95/98 with a new interface towards the user and including a lot of new functionalities.

Windows 95 through Me were related, but they only true relationship they have to Windows 3.x is that they have some sort of DOS underneath (if you ignore a few Windows 3.x files kicking around for application compatibility).

Windows XP is based upon the Windows 2000 codebase, which is quite different from Windows 9x.

Windows Ultimate, for example, which I do in fact have myself, comes in both 32-bits and 64-bits versions.

"Windows Ultimate" is not a version of Windows. You're either talking about Windows 7 Ultimate or Windows Vista Ultimate, both of which are simply variations upon Windows 7 or Windows Vista with various features turned on that are unnecessary for the average user. It's mostly just a combination of the "home" stuff like Media Center and the "business" stuff like the ability to attach to a domain controller.


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I also don't really see what this has to do with BOINC on smartphones. Back on topic:

What current nanotechnology advancing today will enable current batteries run 10 times more length than todays usual expectations in a few years. I hope people here read some tech news.

I do - batteries have ALWAYS been promised to have 10 times the capacity in a few years. Strangely enough, these amazing batteries never show up and revolutionize everything... because they've always been slowly improving. Fashion and practicality dictates that our batteries get smaller and lighter too. If you made the Macbook Air weigh as much as a laptop from 1995 you'd get 50 hours on a charge!

What I'm saying is batteries will continue to be as small and light as you can get away with in order to make the device more portable as opposed to a better calculation device. Why carry a brick around in your pocket when you've got a 30 lb desktop PC sitting at home with an infinite power reserve to do your math for you?

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Windows Ultimate, for example, which I do in fact have myself, comes in both 32-bits and 64-bits versions.

"Windows Ultimate" is not a version of Windows. You're either talking about Windows 7 Ultimate or Windows Vista Ultimate, both of which are simply variations upon Windows 7 or Windows Vista with various features turned on that are unnecessary for the average user. It's mostly just a combination of the "home" stuff like Media Center and the "business" stuff like the ability to attach to a domain controller.
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I also don't really see what this has to do with BOINC on smartphones. Back on topic:

Android, Apple iOS, & WebOS are *nix based OS's so this is very true. While there are 64-bit ARM processors I'm not sure how many of the current base are such.

[quote]What current nanotechnology advancing today will enable current batteries run 10 times more length than todays usual expectations in a few years. I hope people here read some tech news.

I do - batteries have ALWAYS been promised to have 10 times the capacity in a few years. Strangely enough, these amazing batteries never show up and revolutionize everything... because they've always been slowly improving. Fashion and practicality dictates that our batteries get smaller and lighter too. If you made the Macbook Air weigh as much as a laptop from 1995 you'd get 50 hours on a charge!

What I'm saying is batteries will continue to be as small and light as you can get away with in order to make the device more portable as opposed to a better calculation device. Why carry a brick around in your pocket when you've got a 30 lb desktop PC sitting at home with an infinite power reserve to do your math for you?

I think they might be giving us batteries with 10 times the capacity, but it doesn't matter when the new device they go in gobbles up 1500 times more power.

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I think they might be giving us batteries with 10 times the capacity, but it doesn't matter when the new device they go in gobbles up 1500 times more power.

Yeah, that too.

For what it's worth, CPU power usage is actually dropping nowadays... but GPUs continue to push the envelope of what is reasonable, and screens on portable devices, while getting more efficient, aren't using any less power because they're larger and brighter.

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I'm thinking a 10 gallon tank should be large enough and light enough to tote upon my should as I stroll through Wal-Mart

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I'm thinking a 10 gallon tank should be large enough and light enough to tote upon my should as I stroll through Wal-Mart

That's about 80 lbs of methanol -- no, wait you guys have smaller gallons, make that 64 lbs. Methanol fuel cells (or hydrogen) would be great, but getting anything like that certified for carriage on airplanes, for example, would be a nightmare. IIRC there are already limits on the size of a spare battery you can carry on aircraft, but when I looked my spares were well under the limit.

Found this, inter alia:http://www.bobatkins.com/photography/li_battery_restrictions.html

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What you all forget is how many of the phones are out and i doubt they are used 24/7 by their owners. Some math:

My Athlon 1000Mhz did about 1000 MIPS.
Lets say because of heat one phone does less maybe 500 MIPS.
This means 500 000 000 phones * 500 = 250 000 000 000 MIPS.
One Phenom core @2000Mhz does 5000 MIPS.
250 000 000 000/5000= There are 50 000 000 "Phenom cores" that are at least 8 hours the day(sleep) unused.

If they start crunching after they are full loaded and stop after the plug is pulled= no battery use/need at all. Small enough WUs and long enough deadlines and you have yourself a supercomputer. That was OPs idea i guess.

After all the most of BOUNC/SETI/DC work is done by users with low RAC. Thats the whole point of DC.

edit: Dhrystone values

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Another 50,000,000 users plugging the 100Mb
communication line.
Simply leg wetting in my enthusiasm for
such a development.

Another 50,000,000 users plugging the 100Mb
communication line.
Simply leg wetting in my enthusiasm for
such a development.

And with 3G/4G speeds on par with what you get from basic cable/fiber connections defiantly a good idea.
It isn't really the users. It is the devices per user. One of the reasons I have shutdown a few of the older boxes of the the past year. So I would lessen my burden on the connection.

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Another 50,000,000 users plugging the 100Mb
communication line.
Simply leg wetting in my enthusiasm for
such a development.

And with 3G/4G speeds on par with what you get from basic cable/fiber connections defiantly a good idea.
It isn't really the users. It is the devices per user. One of the reasons I have shutdown a few of the older boxes of the the past year. So I would lessen my burden on the connection.

All those additional bits (phone/tablet devices) would have to get to Berkeley first. Adding that many devices, even over a couple of years, would likely plug up the SF/Bay area. The resulting capacity issues would effect everyone.

On the news last night, AT&T is again looking for ways to reduce or limit the data demands of its "unlimited data" account holders.

Network capacity upgrades are not cheap or easy. And they don't happen fast!

Lt

Another 50,000,000 users plugging the 100Mb
communication line.
Simply leg wetting in my enthusiasm for
such a development.

And with 3G/4G speeds on par with what you get from basic cable/fiber connections defiantly a good idea.
It isn't really the users. It is the devices per user. One of the reasons I have shutdown a few of the older boxes of the the past year. So I would lessen my burden on the connection.

All those additional bits (phone/tablet devices) would have to get to Berkeley first. Adding that many devices, even over a couple of years, would likely plug up the SF/Bay area. The resulting capacity issues would effect everyone.

On the news last night, AT&T is again looking for ways to reduce or limit the data demands of its "unlimited data" account holders.

Network capacity upgrades are not cheap or easy. And they don't happen fast!

Lt

Yeah network upgrades are never cheap. We just dropped several thousand upgrading two of our labs with GigabitEthernet. We hope to get our A/B/G wires upgraded to an A/B/G/N unit next half.

As a T-Mobile customer I am glad the AT&T merger didn't happen. As I have actual unlimited network. However the new plans that are "unlimited" have limited high speed data. Then after the amount you are paying for you get a slower speed, but it is an unlimited amount. Since I normally use <50mb a month I used about 12GB last month to see if they would say anything.

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