It will be a cold day in hell before phone replace computers maybe in decades from now with some future technology that is not been developed yet so keep dreaming. This is not Star Trek.

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Wouldn't this be cute though...

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Wouldn't this be cute though...

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That would be clever, utilize the computer systems of an electric or plug-in hybrid car while it's sitting around doing nothing but charging at night.

You're probably already aware (and it was probably the inspiration for your post) but the current Audi A8's navigation system runs Google Earth on a Tegra 2 processor.

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That would be clever, utilize the computer systems of an electric or plug-in hybrid car while it's sitting around doing nothing but charging at night.

You're probably already aware (and it was probably the inspiration for your post) but the current Audi A8's navigation system runs Google Earth on a Tegra 2 processor.

I don't know if anything ever came of it but there was a story a few years ago that the Chinese were going to set up a distributed computing system using millions of set-top boxes when they are idle.

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There already was very similar step taken.
In the past there were time when PC were considered just as more good typewriter or gaming console. "Real" computations were done on mainframes exclusively.
And indeed. PC performance at their beginning was much much lower than mainframe performance.
What we have today? There are still "mainframes" (though completely different in architecture)- big supercomputers. But we all know that usual PCs are used for scientific computations and modeling (besides BOINC too).
So let's not make same mistake again and discard power of mobile devices just because this power less than desktops one.
I have no doubts they will be used eventually. They will not replace desktop PC just as desktop PC didn't replace supercomputers. They will be used along with other computational devices.

Bring it on. All of it. You don't know what will happen. Be brave.

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There already was very similar step taken.
In the past there were time when PC were considered just as more good typewriter or gaming console. "Real" computations were done on mainframes exclusively.
And indeed. PC performance at their beginning was much much lower than mainframe performance.
What we have today? There are still "mainframes" (though completely different in architecture)- big supercomputers. But we all know that usual PCs are used for scientific computations and modeling (besides BOINC too).
So let's not make same mistake again and discard power of mobile devices just because this power less than desktops one.
I have no doubts they will be used eventually. They will not replace desktop PC just as desktop PC didn't replace supercomputers. They will be used along with other computational devices.

All of that was 30 years ago so maybe so in the next 30 years from now. But right now it is all science fiction. In the seventies it was word processors. I had my first computer in 1982 and it was run in basic and wasn't much more than a calculator.

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What present realistic formula/equation is:

Smartphone(green cruncher) > Desktop(grey cruncher)
Nearing 1 billion > few hundred million and dying.

My wild guess is if late this year all smartphones with 1ghz or more power reach 1 billion volume would it be even 1 petaflop of total power or more?!

Desktop death is even tens of thousands daily in global market due to growing influences of laptop+tablet+smartphones. (yes desktop death is my silver bullet!)

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Mandtugai!

You label smart phones as green but how do you figure one way or the other. Considering their underwhelming power and the low capacity of their batteries they are neither green not efficient at much other than playing simple games.

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What present realistic formula/equation is:

Smartphone(green cruncher) > Desktop(grey cruncher)
Nearing 1 billion > few hundred million and dying.

My wild guess is if late this year all smartphones with 1ghz or more power reach 1 billion volume would it be even 1 petaflop of total power or more?!

Desktop death is even tens of thousands daily in global market due to growing influences of laptop+tablet+smartphones. (yes desktop death is my silver bullet!)

So more apples than oranges they both are fruit but an apple is not an orange same for smart phones and computers a phone is not a computer and never will for at least 10 years or more so what more smart phones than computers if a smart phone could crunch what kind of a rac 3 maybe whereas a computer has a rac of thousands or more a smart phone for crunching wastes a phone crunching on a computer does not waste a computer. A phone is not a computer.

I tell you what you go ahead and write a cruncher app for your smart phone on your smart phone oh that's right you can't you need a computer to write an app for your smart phone.

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The key trend is at least more than 10 000 desktops are dying each day against more than 1.5 million green devices activating each day. This should be the key condition for all future Boinc development.

Plus it is too funny if you want to equalize with all those daily dying desktops against all daily activating green devices through computing powers.

Android innovativeness factor will beat whatever any argument spoken by ms/apple os user.

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That would be clever, utilize the computer systems of an electric or plug-in hybrid car while it's sitting around doing nothing but charging at night.

You're probably already aware (and it was probably the inspiration for your post) but the current Audi A8's navigation system runs Google Earth on a Tegra 2 processor.

Careful about running arbitrary code on Auto systems. I don't ever want arbitrary code running on any system hooked up to computers running my brakes or engine control software. I know that the auto industry had a few blunders where the entertainment system/computer talked to the engine and brake management system. This allowed potential viruses to control the engine and brakes. Until the Auto industry is sure to air gap the 2 systems I don't want the ability to run unverified software on the entertainment system CPU. I can stand a crashed entertainment/navigation system but not a crashed engine/brake management system. Stuxnet virus showed the problems that a virus can do to embedded systems like engine management software and anti-lock brake control software. Proof of concept software was demonstrated to show how to hack the vehicle control software through wireless low tire pressure data was done in 2007 if I remember correctly. The data was transmitted over a bluetooth signal from the wheel to the management system so in theory a wireless phone could hack and disable a car.

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put it simple a phone can not crunch you prove me wrong have some one write an app for crunching on any smart phone and show me the rac.

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put it simple a phone can not crunch you prove me wrong have some one write an app for crunching on any smart phone and show me the rac.

I don't doubt that it is technically feasible...
However, probably impractical due to the battery power available....and possibly cooling issues, such as laptops sometimes have trouble dealing with. I don't think these devices were designed with enough headroom for that kind of sustained computing.

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What present realistic formula/equation is:

Smartphone(green cruncher) > Desktop(grey cruncher)
Nearing 1 billion > few hundred million and dying.

My wild guess is if late this year all smartphones with 1ghz or more power reach 1 billion volume would it be even 1 petaflop of total power or more?!

Desktop death is even tens of thousands daily in global market due to growing influences of laptop+tablet+smartphones. (yes desktop death is my silver bullet!)

You keep saying smartphones are green. They are not green, far from it. Yes the energy to power them might be low but it still takes a lot of energy to make them. Also, As you say there are a billion of them and growing, thats a lot of energy. Plus the fact that the companys that sell them beg you to keep buying the new and improved model every two years. plus what happens when your smart phone is broken or damanged. Why they dont fix it they give you a new one.

I can fix my desktops, Im running a P4 I bought in 2004. How many folks have a cell phone from 2004?

Your green smart phone is a fallacy.

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I'd say this is the most common sense refined formula:

Smartphone(green cruncher) > Desktop(grey cruncher)
Nearing 1 billion > few hundred million and dying
result : crunching advantage is shifting hardware.

I challenge any other common sense based formulas to beat this one!

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Mandtugai!

for starters we have no idea how fast a smart phone can compute a WU let alone the power it would use. You assume it would be better. I assume someone intends to keep his phone on a leash to prove differently. Unless you intend to hook a car battery up to your phone then you are basically not going to be using that phone for much else.

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Will people crunch on a smart phone Im sure some will just for the novelty of it. but not many will do full time crunching, Why you ask, because they will be to busy twitting and facebooking, or watching movies or playing music. I dont care how many green smartphones are out there I just dont see a huge number of dedicated SETI@Home crunchers using them.

I can see a day when Seti@home stops CPU crunching and goes strickly GPU. Where are you going to put that Nvidia 550 Ti in your smartphone?

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for starters we have no idea how fast a smart phone can compute a WU let alone the power it would use. You assume it would be better. I assume someone intends to keep his phone on a leash to prove differently. Unless you intend to hook a car battery up to your phone then you are basically not going to be using that phone for much else.

That is the plan I have for my current phone when it becomes my old phone. Just leave the USB cable plugged into it so it can constantly have the power to do what I tell it to.

I think trying to process work while the phone is on batteries wouldn't be a good idea at all. That would probably drain a battery in less than an hour.

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Most smartphones have an ARM CPU, which is a RISC processor. You would have to recompile both BOINC and applications on it. They don't accept X86 code.
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