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Message 1432450 - Posted: 23 Oct 2013, 23:38:37 UTC

Salomnd is going to have to pull something out of the sporran (bag) here to save
that part of this industry. If he cobbles something together, and it appears he
has saved this refinery rather than the aid coming from UK government intervention
alone, then he's still in with a fighting chance on the independence front.
But if the petro side does close down Salmond will have one hell of a battle on
his hands in convincing the electorate on a yes vote next year.



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Message 1432456 - Posted: 23 Oct 2013, 23:47:33 UTC - in response to Message 1432450.  

Biggest price fall since 2008

However, that will soon be a myth as it's been bandied about that if Grangemouth does close, it'll put £0.10p on a litre of fuel.

The rest of the country won't like that!
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Message 1433150 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 12:08:05 UTC
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Fortunately the union backed down and the day was saved, I suspect Salmond let out
s sigh of relief! A big lesson to the unions in Scotland, if you want Scotland to
be a success under independence you'll have to be a lot more pragmatic with your
dealings with business and industry. Time for the unions in the South to take note
here too.
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Message 1433274 - Posted: 25 Oct 2013, 15:55:03 UTC

Salmond on a sticky wicket

Lovely comment to the article....

"Salmond is a liability that even Zimbabwe would struggle with."

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Message 1438838 - Posted: 6 Nov 2013, 17:53:10 UTC

Another blow for independence

"The National Records of Scotland also predicts there will be proportionately fewer people of working age."

So will an independent Scotland be able to pay for those that are not?
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Message 1443872 - Posted: 18 Nov 2013, 21:53:53 UTC

Independence in 'tatters'

Easy enough answer, join the EU and get continuous bailouts, it'll help us leave the EU quicker :)
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Message 1443901 - Posted: 18 Nov 2013, 23:13:15 UTC - in response to Message 1443872.  

Independence in 'tatters'

Easy enough answer, join the EU and get continuous bailouts, it'll help us leave the EU quicker :)

Ah but also Sirius have you noticed the Question that gets put on the Referendum
ballot paper??? Take a look and you will realise that a yes vote does not
automatically lead to Scotland having to follow through and leave the United
Kingdom. Salmond on getting a Yes vote will do no more than go straight to
Cameron waiving the results sheet demanding more money and concessions from
the UK parliament. He will threaten Cameron that unless Scotland gets more he
will follow through and withdraw Scotland from the UK. Cameron I hope is awake
to this and if I was he I would, say three months before the Scottish referendum
is held, inform Salmond that if Scotland votes yes then the UK government will
expect Scotland to withdraw from the UK and nothing short of it. This way Cameron
will remove all bargaining powers from Salmond hence Salmond be left completely
flat-footed.

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Message 1443908 - Posted: 18 Nov 2013, 23:28:55 UTC - in response to Message 1443901.  

Ah but the question is...

'Will it happen that way?'
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Message 1443930 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 0:08:49 UTC - in response to Message 1443908.  

Ah but the question is...

'Will it happen that way?'

Not too sure that it will. But regarding the currency to be adopted if they do
leave then the answer is quite simple and logical. They will adopt the Pound
Stirling because half a million Scots who live in Scotland work in England. So
with currency fluctuations along with exchange rate costs too you can see problems
ahead for some of them. So to alleviate this and other potential problems,
adopting the Pound Sterling will make life very much easier for the Scottish
Government.


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Message 1443932 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 0:18:05 UTC - in response to Message 1443930.  

But Westminster should not make it that easy for them. They want to leave, so be it, get their own currency and the problems that brings with it.
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Message 1443953 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 1:20:38 UTC - in response to Message 1443932.  
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But Westminster should not make it that easy for them. They want to leave, so be it, get their own currency and the problems that brings with it.

Any financial problems for Scotland will become financial problems for the
British government in the end. Bond issues by Scotland is something that needs
to be taken in to consideration here. Would it be more favourable for the Scots
to issue them in Groats or in Pounds Sterling. If in Groats then they will
adopt their own currency, if not then they will adopt the Pound. If when they
do start to issue bonds, and they use the Pound, then the British Government will have to regulate
these issues as a percentage of Scottish GDP. Scotland will then have to run a
very tight fiscal policy, just like Germany does, to maintain the correct ratio
as set. Not a bad thing actually is it....I suggest Scotland does adopt the Pound
and I bet they do too.
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Message 1443956 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 1:22:17 UTC - in response to Message 1443953.  
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I wonder if they would use the Groat as their currency unit if they did go off
the Pound?
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Message 1443957 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 1:26:57 UTC - in response to Message 1443956.  

I wonder if they would use the Groat as their currency unit if they did go off
the Pound?


Naw, the Euro. It would be fun watching them go off the rails PDQ.
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Message 1443964 - Posted: 19 Nov 2013, 1:39:58 UTC - in response to Message 1443957.  
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I wonder if they would use the Groat as their currency unit if they did go off
the Pound?


Naw, the Euro. It would be fun watching them go off the rails PDQ.

....and if they do end up going off the rails who do you think will get the
blame for it....it wont be Salmond!!!. The blamers have already written the
scripts, just waiting to be slipped in to the Scottish newspapers the moment
things start looking like their going flat-haggis shapped.
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Message 1445440 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 12:26:04 UTC

Gordon Bennet! If the jocks see this, they'll vote NO. Quick get the Waily Fail banned :}

Scots benefit more by being part of the union ©The Strawbs

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Message 1445445 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 12:57:00 UTC - in response to Message 1445440.  

Quick get the Waily Fail banned :}

First sensible idea you've had for a while. :)

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Message 1445449 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 13:17:32 UTC - in response to Message 1445445.  

Quick get the Waily Fail banned :}

First sensible idea you've had for a while. :)


And the Telegraph, Guardian, Independent, Times, + all the tabloids, followed by the BBC, ITV, C4.

Then the country can listen to the modern Goebbels. You and Taffy, going to do it on a rota then?
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Message 1445466 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 14:19:27 UTC - in response to Message 1445449.  

Quick get the Waily Fail banned :}

First sensible idea you've had for a while. :)


And the Telegraph, Guardian, Independent, Times, + all the tabloids, followed by the BBC, ITV, C4.

Then the country can listen to the modern Goebbels. You and Taffy, going to do it on a rota then?

Now you're trying to extrapolate too far, putting words in my mouth. Project much?
Stick to what's actually been said, rather than dreaming up non-sequiturs.

I'll also remind you that "Part of the Union" is about trade unions, not political union. I defy you to find any lyrics (in context) in that song that apply to this referendum.
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Message 1445471 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 14:35:50 UTC - in response to Message 1445466.  

Scotland Wales England & Northern Ireland are indeed part of the union are they not?

It's really amazing that when similar posts are made using Bair Brown Cameron, hardly any replies are made. However whenever the Waily Fail appears the rabid dogs appear in force as if a bitch in heat is in their vicinity.
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Message 1445482 - Posted: 22 Nov 2013, 15:14:52 UTC
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They're also four of many countries around the world. Scotland is north of where i'm sat right now, and if this referendum goes through, might need our help before long.
Just because words in the title can mean something, doesn't make the song about that something.
(And yes, i know North was used in the visit Scotland advert, that doesn't count)

And the BBC doesn't attract the same ire because it doesn't use headlines like:

  • Girl, 13, crushed to death by a falling branch as she sat on park bench on the day her teachers went out on strike.
  • 'They danced in the streets when Hitler died too': Death parties drama teacher likens Lady Thatcher to Nazi leader
    And my personal favourite:
  • Woman, 63, 'becomes pregnant in the mouth' with baby squid after eating calamari

Not to mention their ongoing quest to divide all inanimate objects in the world into those which either cause or cure cancer.


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