Skildude - would you like to start a new thread about the history of Ireland and its relations with the British? I think that it might be helpful as this one is all about Scotland.

Nah I like this one. Besides, If we had the technology back then as we do now the Brits would have been beaten down in the court of Public opinion. Sadly the US was to busy exterminating its native American tribes to be bothered with what they considered inferior(Irish) people

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

I personally think that the SNP wants a Scotland independant of Westminister so that the UK will only consist of England & Wales, for the simple fact that Cronie B-lair's last act before leaving no 10 was to give Ireland back to the Irish.

To add insult to injury, this event is to occur Easter 2016....that fact alone is one of the greatest insults a brit has given a Paddy!

Whether Dublin & Stormant can work together (which is the intention) remains to be seen.

Should Scotland succeed, Wales may throw their 2 cents in, in which case, where will England & the UK stand?

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After all the four entities that make up Great Britain

Er Bob, I know the Isle of Wight has often had pretensions of Home Rule but Great Britain is made up of 3 components, England, Scotland, and Ireland under the 1707 Acts of Union. The UK is made up of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

I'm sorry, I thought Wales was pressing for independence too. My bad

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Should Scotland succeed, Wales may throw their 2 cents in, in which case, where will England & the UK stand?

I don't actually see any of this happening. If either Wales or Scotland think
that the world is going to change for the good by having independence then
I think that they need a good dose of serious common sense. I would fully
expect that they would find their world would implode around them. Promises
made to them, to get them to vote for independence, not to materialise then
to cover their guilt political campaigns raised to blame the English for their
sorry plights.

Also, do remember that the Scots originate from Ireland and the majority
of the Welsh from Middle and West England.

Think about the Irish potato famine. The brits basically ignored the Irish and allowed them to simply starve as a people. Unforgivable is not a strong enough word.

Skildude, you need to re-read your history again regarding the Irish potato
famine. You missed out what the Irish landowners and gentry did during this
time...packed their bags and made a bee-line for England. The Irish landowners
also would not permit the starving Irish to farm the land, to feed themselves,
land that these landowners had spare and available for farming. The Irish had
to try and survive on their existing paltry sized bits of land that because
of this famine were not large enough to grow alternative types of crops on.

In the end the whole lot of it above is all old history, and those who dwell
on the past never make sound foundations to build on to make themselves
a solid future. So here's to the future, what ever the past may have done, the
guilty are long dead and buried so we can't bring them back to face justice.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

One thing that the politicians have missed is geography.

Regardless of what may or will happen, England, Scotland, Wales & Ireland will always be known as the British Isles & I can't see that ever been changed (nor should it be).

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One thing that the politicians have missed is geography.

Regardless of what may or will happen, England, Scotland, Wales & Ireland will always be known as the British Isles & I can't see that ever been changed (nor should it be).

..."All for one and one for all"....then out with politicians, well their best
days are well behind them and they are rather disfunctional now!

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

At one timeline point british soldiers burnt down white house in Washington so any americans feel anything independence from britan is unconditionally right. But with current shaky EU atmosphere it is highly questionable to change own political and economic position unless there is very stable EU evolving cycle occurs. But mostly outsiders have no clue what good development advantages scots possess currently.

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Mandtugai!

Well we all know (at least here in the UK) that most Jocks,Paddy's,Taffy's & Georgie's love a pint or two....

...so lets all go independant leaving the EU to do a Titanic without us & we form our own Economic Union.....

...the "Parlimentary Union of Britain"

...& as we all know, ploticians & governmental departments all love creating acrynoms....

so ours would be.......

P.U.B

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So in a sense, Scotland is further down the road in terms of independence than Wales or Ireland.

Don't you mean Northern Ireland?

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or he's just sensing the inevitable ;)

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

or he's just sensing the inevitable ;)

Definitely not....I'm Irish :)

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Well we all know (at least here in the UK) that most Jocks,Paddy's,Taffy's & Georgie's love a pint or two....

...so lets all go independant leaving the EU to do a Titanic without us & we form our own Economic Union.....

...the "Parlimentary Union of Britain"

...& as we all know, ploticians & governmental departments all love creating acrynoms....

so ours would be.......

P.U.B

....That's the spirit, Sirius.....Expand on it and have Eire join too.
Could also have our own President just to make sure all are getting
their fair share from the economic cake.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Well we all know (at least here in the UK) that most Jocks,Paddy's,Taffy's & Georgie's love a pint or two....

...so lets all go independant leaving the EU to do a Titanic without us & we form our own Economic Union.....

...the "Parlimentary Union of Britain"

...& as we all know, ploticians & governmental departments all love creating acrynoms....

so ours would be.......

P.U.B

....That's the spirit, Sirius.....Expand on it and have Eire join too.
Could also have our own President just to make sure all are getting
their fair share from the economic cake.

Oh most definitely, I've never known a Paddy to walk past a PUB yet!

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Expand on it and have Eire join too. Could also have our own President just to make sure all are getting
their fair share from the economic cake.

Then guess who would want the job ...

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

Expand on it and have Eire join too. Could also have our own President just to make sure all are getting
their fair share from the economic cake.

Then guess who would want the job ...

If that ever happened, I don't think he'd live long if he ever stepped into Ireland....but he'd still go down in history....

..as the 1st British President to be assassinated.

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If that ever happened, I don't think he'd live long if he ever stepped into Ireland....but he'd still go down in history....

..as the 1st British President to be assassinated.

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Ah, but what be if the first President was Irish and happened to also own all
the beer in the UK?

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

If that ever happened, I don't think he'd live long if he ever stepped into Ireland....but he'd still go down in history....

..as the 1st British President to be assassinated.

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Ah, but what be if the first President was Irish and happened to also own all
the beer in the UK?

Ah, that'll be ok then as long as he kept the cost of the beer reasonable.... But it looks like I made a mistake...I automatically thought John was referring to Cronie B-lair.......

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Personally, I can't understand their reasoning. With all the closures of RN & RAF bases in Scotland & with North Sea reserves dwindling, what's left that will enable them to compete with the rest of the UK & indeed, Europe?

I don't think Whiskey exports will keep them going.

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Of course this has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with it right ?

Million donation

When you read some of the blurb the Scottish SNP come out with you realise their
living in a dream world.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Personally, I can't understand their reasoning. With all the closures of RN & RAF bases in Scotland & with North Sea reserves dwindling, what's left that will enable them to compete with the rest of the UK & indeed, Europe?

I don't think Whiskey exports will keep them going.

They don't have a diverse enough industry to survive and mix-it with the
rest of the world. Scotland will rely on the rest of the UK in supplying
jobs for them south of the boarder. The biggest risk to Scottish independence
causing strife to Scotland itself would be if the rest of the UK was to
up-sticks and leave the ECM.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.