Gee you'd think that after more than a thousand years of war and conquest the Scots would finally get used to their overlords. NOT!!!

FREEDOM!!!!

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Diogenes Of Sinope

Gosh, with enough global climate change, Scotland could achieve as an independent nation the well being and status of Ireland.....

Gosh, with enough global climate change, Scotland could achieve as an independent nation the well being and status of Ireland.....

Absolutely........& totally stuffed due to the Euro!

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Gee you'd think that after more than a thousand years of war and conquest the Scots would finally get used to their overlords. NOT!!!

FREEDOM!!!!

Freedom from what? The Scots have had their own laws since the formation
of the Union with England. Too, they have had more representation in the
British parliament than either England, Wales or Northern Ireland. If
Scotland leaves the union then like the UK it will become a member state
of Europe and in time will have to give up this right to make it's own laws.
It will, in time, then have a true overlord, the ECM and the Lords of Brussels.
There is no logic in Scotland leaving the union, only their politicians seem
to see logic in it. The last poll on this issue went against the Politicians
for the population in Scotland generally sees no logic in it at all. So it's
down to the logic as seen by the Politicians. No, they don't see logic they
only sense power here. But to temporarily lord it over 8 million Scots these
politicians are prepared to give up lording it over 64 million Britains as
many of them have done as UK Prime Ministers over many centuries. Gosh! our
current and previous prime Ministers are both Scottish in decent, what more
does Scotland want!! The problem here is that leaving the Union is being
promoted by tuppenny-bit politicians who don't have the ability to make things
happen for themselves in the UK parliament so try to make things happen for
themselves in the second rate tier of politics, namely the Scottish Assembly.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
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That day they debated the Daylight Savings Bill and it sadly got filibustered. Who was the the prime culprit? That well known Scottish windbag Angus MacNeil.

Proof I say that these Scottish politicians don't actually wont independence
for Scotland but just wish to threaten us all with to see what extra money
they can wangle out of this union. They could easily here have voted for the
rest of the UK to have this Daylight saving bill but opted out themselves.
Why did they not do this, because as second rate politicians the're both dumb
and also stupid too and when faced with a golden opportunity to show common
sense over an issue they blow it. The Scots represent about 15% of the UK
population but feel they should be the deciding factor on most things regarding
the UK as a whole. They loose this influence if they leave the union so you
can bet your last dollar on the politicians there never going the whole
hog and taking independence. They can't anyway for they would see 1 million
Scots cross the boarder to live in the UK they would suffer a brain-drain.
All know that Scotland can not survive without the generous subsidese they
receive from the UK purse. They will not get this from Brussels if they leave
the UK union. Also they don't own all the North Sea oil, only two tenths of it,
for the other eight tenths falls into English waters. Time we called Scotlands
bluff on this independence issue and I suspect also the Scottish population
too would like to call this bluff on their politicians.

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Here's a point to ponder....

Should Scotland succeed in gaining independence & Wales followed suit, that would leave England as an independant nation - Therefore & I hope quite legal, all 3 countries would no longer be bound by the EU as they were admitted as the United Kingdom.

If this actually happens, it would be nice to know if the trough loving horses (oops sorry, politicians) would hold referendums to gain admittance to the EU - Or would I be dreaming.......

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Would be a bit of a laugh if Scotland did vote to leave the union then finally
leave. Claiming independence from one union only to fall under the eventual
full control of another, namely the ECM. Then later only for the UK to leave the
ECM and gain it's total independence from them. As history always shows, put
the control and running of your countries in the hands of your politicians
and see them finally wreck for you....wake-up Scotland, the grass
is not greener on the other side as your politicians wish for you to believe!

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

Heck, then England could petition to be part of the US -- more than one way to eliminate the evil of the monarchy and National Health in one play. <g>

If this actually happens, it would be nice to know if the trough loving horses (oops sorry, politicians) would hold referendums to gain admittance to the EU - Or would I be dreaming.......

If we didn't have that system be would be back in the Middle Ages with feudal Barons, Lords of the Manor, and serfs.

Kinda funny when you consider the 2 houses of british parliament are the house of Lords and the house of commons. Not as bad as the dark ages but still that glimmer of the good old days

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Diogenes Of Sinope

You did notice the trailing <g> --- figured the comment might wind someone up though <smile>

@BarryAZ

Sorry I can't accept that. There is nothing evil about the Queen or the Monarchy. And I would rather have the NHS than Medicare or Medicaid, thank you very much.

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Oooh - I just love it when a Brit includes a sentence with naughty bits <g>

But let us go all traditional, bring back a Catholic England - you need a Stuart.

Yes of course I did, but you are being a bit naughty on the 60th Anniversary so I wasn't going to let you get away with it. And I am sure you wouldn't have expected me to either :-)

My ancestors were of Scotch/Irish lines but I am still at a loss to comprehend in this day and age the urge to break away from Great Britain. Afterall the four entities that make up Great Britain are stronger together than they ever could be separately. Just think what a mess the USA would be if it were 50 independent countries.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Ah, so President Perry would be disappointed then. <smile>

Just think what a mess the USA would be if it were 50 independent countries.

[quote]Heck, then England could petition to be part of the US -- more than one way to eliminate the evil of the monarchy and National Health in one play. <g>

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I think it would be better for all of us if the USA petitioned to become a
part of the UK.....America finally comes home to mother....am I being naughty
here ?? For one thing, you would then learn to leave religion out of politics.......
....take that you coke swigging bubble-gum chewing great hairy monster..now that is really-really rude and I bet it's scared you off !!
....and I bet my dads bigger than your dad, Barry big-belly...."I like being rude"!

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The Kite Fliers

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Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet
belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.

the 6 counties of North east Ireland just happen to hold a massive majority of protestants at the time of cleaving. If you read the Irish version those counties are still disputed.

or Michael Collins gave them as a gift for the Brits leaving the rest of Ireland alone. Lets not forget how well Michael's Compromise was received by the Irish people. He a assassinated for giving away anything Irish.

Let also not forget that while being overlords over Ireland, The brits intentionally emigrated Scots to those counties to force out the Catholic Irish in the area. The English certainly have written a wonderful tale on how they acquired land. It's a shame very little of it is true.

I work with an Indian Doctor of Pashtu extract whose grandfather was executed without a trial or cause by the brits. He gets irate when he hears a british accent. I get irate when a brit talks grandly about N. Ireland as if they didn't create and encourage genocide to the Irish and other peoples they conquered.

Think about the Irish potato famine. The brits basically ignored the Irish and allowed them to simply starve as a people. Unforgivable is not a strong enough word.

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Diogenes Of Sinope

Fair point -- is Northern Ireland still part of the UK? Oops.. <g>

Leave my belly out of it <smile>

For one thing, you would then learn to leave religion out of politics.......

Wasn't it a requirement that Anne not be a Catholic in order to be the monarch?

The last Catholic Monarch was James the II* from 1685-1688
(*He was also James VII of Scotland)

The last Stuart Monarch was Queen Anne who reigned from 1702-1714
Most of the Stuart Monarchs were Catholics.

But how about the Scots-Irish? - Ulster.... Isn't that to be part of Scotland as well? I figure this thread needs a few troublemakers...

Skildude - would you like to start a new thread about the history of Ireland and its relations with the British? I think that it might be helpful as this one is all about Scotland.

trouble we've got. solutions we seek.

The Scottish-Irish are a different breed altogether. They just seem to be against whatever anyone is for. Quite a disagreeable lot they are. I understand that the Catholic Irish in N. Ireland are prolific in breeding. eventually(in the next 40 Years) they'll outnumber the Protestants by a simple majority. When that happens the Irish can freely take their land back by a simple vote in N. Ireland.

Quite Honestly I'd like the Scots to have their freedom finally. THey could easily seal a pact with English for defense issues etc that would give the people of Scotland its own gov't.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope