Valid points John, but what lessons are the children learning?

Violence is good - guns are good...

So the man with the Guy Fawkes avatar is advocating non-violence and disarmament?

That's rich :)

LOL Coming from an Angel displaying a rifle......

"O Glorious Prince of the heavenly host, St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in the battle and in the terrible warfare that we are waging against the principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the evil spirits. Come to the aid of man, whom Almighty God created immortal, made in His own image and likeness, and redeemed at a great price from the tyranny of Satan..." ~Opening of St. Michael the Archangel's prayer

"Blessed be the LORD my strength, who teaches my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:" ~Psalm 144:1

You'll find Michael is rarely, if ever, displayed without his 'flaming sword', staff, or in conflict... So no, it is not duplicitous.

And, just for fun, "Even now in heaven, there were angels carrying savage weapons." ~2nd Hezekiah 4:6

;-P

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Valid points John, but what lessons are the children learning?

Violence is good - guns are good...

So the man with the Guy Fawkes avatar is advocating non-violence and disarmament?

That's rich :)

LOL Coming from an Angel displaying a rifle......

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Major, you make a decent point regarding deer in the US, but:

"Another recent IUCN report suggests the giraffe may already need to be listed as a threatened species - because some populations are being decimated in places like West Africa and DR Congo. They are already thought to be extinct in Angola, Mali and Nigeria."

Oh, regarding deer -- we were recently in NZ -- originally deer were brought in to provide hunting sport for the relatively well to do English settlers -- there are NO native mammals in NZ -- so the result was as you might expect. Deer became something of a pest causing all sorts of environmental damage. To control the population, there were massive 'hi-tech' hunts with the deer being left, shot dead. Eventually, the population was under control, and then they figured out that venison has a decent 'specialty' market, so NZ now has a fairly large 'domesticated' deer population on farms -- you can tell where the deer are kept -- MUCH higher fences (by law) than for sheep or cattle.

I am not familiar with the Giraffe's situation in Africa, but I expect it might be similar to the deer situation here in the USA.

Valid points John, but what lessons are the children learning?

Violence is good - guns are good...

So the man with the Guy Fawkes avatar is advocating non-violence and disarmament?

That's rich :)

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Hmm...

I am not familiar with the Giraffe's situation in Africa, but I expect it might be similar to the deer situation here in the USA.

In order to protect our livestock (and ourselves), we did something very short-sighted. We killed off most of the top of the food chain predators (wolves, mountain lions, etc.) causing a lot of ecological damage. Unless we allow the top predator populations (that we decimated) to reestablish themselves (thereby risking our livestock and even ourselves), hunting of the prey animals is necessary. If we stopped hunting, for instance deer, they would quickly overpopulate causing even more ecological damage (they would strip an area of its food, for instance).

We took responsibility for keeping the deer numbers in check when we eliminated the means that nature used to keep them in check (mostly, the wolf).

That said, since I have grown up, I do not go hunting unless I intend to eat what I kill. Thankfully, deer meat is good when properly cooked. IMO, hunting is less of a sport and more of a duty.


@ SirusB: Guns are neither good nor bad. They are just tools. It is *people* that are good or bad. If person A kills person B with a gun, it is not the gun's fault. It is person A's fault. If the gun wasn't available, person A might have used a knife, an axe, or a baseball bat... Don't ban the guns, lock up the murderers and throw away the key.

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https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE

#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

We already know that

On a more SETI note , if we did discover aliens and they (through some mode of transport
We haven't discovered yet) actually come to visit us, would these rich hunters want to
Bag one of them (for a price) .

I already know the answer is yes . :(

Like I said before some people like to kill things and unfortunately that won't stop.

John3760

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Valid points John, but what lessons are the children learning?

Violence is good - guns are good...

Just proves that the most ignorant, arrogant & dangerous animal on the planet is man!

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I hate it when any animal dies (apart from cow ,chicken and sheep ,and the odd fish).
But if you read between the lines on this "graphic" article,the animals were killed in a
Game park, they were not poached or taken illegally.

Fortunately or unfortunately depending on which way you look at it,
These game parks do exist in Africa.
If they didn't ,most of the animals we are seeing killed right now wouldn't exist in the wild.
Although it is obviously disgusting to see wild animals slaughtered for money,if these
Parks didn't exist the reality could be much worse(extinction of species in the wild).
These rich killers in their own way preserve the species that are roaming wild in Africa.
Although I cannot condone killing anything for sport, If these places did not exist,illegal
Hunting would have wiped out Rhino's,Elephants ,Lions and most of Africa's big game
Long before now.
There will always be somebody wanting to kill something(for food ,fun ,pleasure or whatever)
That isn't going to stop.
At least these people have paid an extortionate amount for their sick hobby which goes
Towards the upkeep of these reserves.
If it wasn't for those reserves in Africa (Which have to be tourist funded whether that be photography or slaughter) most of Africa's big game would only exist in zoos now.
I know this sounds a bit against what you have posted above,but I totally agree with your thoughts
And opinions,but I totally believe if these parks didn't exist we would in 2012 be looking at
Extinction rather than slaughter.
And if nobody paid the reserves wouldn't be able to operate.

John 3760

NO ANIMAL SHOULD DIE FOR FUN OR PLEASURE

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I would financially support a group of hunters whose job was to hunt these hunters and shoot them to kill. But, the kill shot would be done using hollow points, filled with curare, and fired in to the lower body/stomach area.

A slow death is the objective.

It's about time these people grew out of 18th century thinking when there were a huge number of animals, rather than the reduced numbers, or near extinction numbers, we have today.

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It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues

If I said what I really thought I'd get banned .......

Idiots with guns....how brave! How about visiting Afghanistan,Iraq or Libya?

Why not try hunting those with the ability to shoot back or is that too scary a proposition for you?

Brave Hunters

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