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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19047 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
No one is saying that the sylabus shouldn't evolve as new discoveries are made but it is apparent that many schools are not teaching the basics thoroughly enough. Especially in the sciences and mathematics. One excuse I have heard from teachers is that there is now too much in the sylabus and something had to go. In Physics that was the maths parts as reported earlier. In History a recent study reported; The study – published by the think-tank Politeia – said it was “difficult to name a European country that teaches history in such a manner, one which can leave the majority of school-leavers in the dark about the unfolding story of their pastâ€. Full story in the Telegraph; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9229379/Pupils-failing-to-study-British-history-at-school.html But I found my youngest knew very little about the Industrial Revolution so I gave him "The Most Powerful Idea in the World" by William Rosen. He is astounded by how much he didn't know. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19047 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Same thoughts I was just about to post Ofsted chief: ‘teachers don’t know what stress is’ Parents 'failing to get children ready for school' Not strictly education, education. Girl's school dinner blog becomes internet hit or go to the blog at http://neverseconds.blogspot.co.uk/ |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19047 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Well here we go, what about this idea then? When I titled this thread, this wasn't quite what I had in mind .... Why Boots. In my nearest town, Boots is in a prime position, but has competition from two others, one 50 m away, the other right by the bus station, that is the busiest. Also Boots tend to be only in town centres and if a chemist is needed people tend to use the closest, or the one that is open that evening/night, again not boots, or the local 24hr supermarket. Also main doctors clinic, four GP's is less that 100 m from a co-op chemists. Plus I would think that the people who need this most might regard Boots as being up market and use supermarket, £1 shop or market for cosmetics, so again not liable to use Boots. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Jeebers, what next? Waste £10 milllion on teaching them how to potty train their kids? |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Ofsted LMAO. Just say what you think Chris. Don't hold back. :D Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Hi Es <waves> where ya been, I was expecting you to jump in a lot earlier :-) Yep you know me, there are times to call a spade a spade, and I now have the freedom to do it. Not been around much Chris, too busy. :) The College that I used to work at has had a "Satifactory" grading for the last 3 inspections in a row. That means that it is doing the job it is supposed to do at an acceptable level of competence. Which in Civil Service appraisements was known as "Fully Acceptable". But because of that the next inspection will be a drains up one because the inspectors haven't seen what they call any progress. In theory every school or College will have to reach "Outstanding" at some point, else be labelled not improving. Which is of course a total nonsense. I've known teachers to be labelled outstanding during one inspection to failing in another despite doing the same thing. At my last job Ofsted came in with the mission to shut the school down because the most of the departments were failing (mainly due to the difficult intake of the pupils and the resulting problems with retaining teachers. I had in fact taken over the classes of the former deputy head who had walked out one day and refused to come back). The science department was the only successful department and was the reason that the school had not been put on special measures. So Ofsted came in and targeted the science department. The inspector it turned out was being inspected himself. He came into the prep room and declared it unsafe because we drank our tea in there and ordered it cleared out (not even within his remit and he shouldn't have done that). All the experiments that we had prepared for the next day ended up in the dumpster (including the Agar plates my pupils had been growing bacteria on). The result was that the department came in the next morning to discovered that all their carefully planned lessons had been destroyed. The inspector came into my year 9 class that absolutely hated me because I was the 5th teacher they had had that year and they had been dumped on me a couple of weeks before hand. They had driven all their other teacher's away. They were a pretty frightful bunch and was doing the best I could with them considering they had thrown things at me and one pupil had shoved me. At one point half the class had torn their books up refusing to be taught. The lesson I prepared according the new government laid out syllabus for the applied science course was exactly as I had told it should be. The Ofsted inspector said that they weren't learning anything. All I could think to say was that maybe he should try and control these feral children who regularly swore at me, refused to work. Walked in and out of the classroom at will and whenever I set out practical work they would deliberately destroy the equipment. Considering that they had driven all their previous teachers away I thought I was doing a damn good job and at that point I realised that Ofsted didn't have a clue what was really going on in schools. As a supply teacher I've been asked to come into schools during ofsted inspections to wait in the staffroom "just in case" I was needed. Head teacher's freak out and bully the staff when an ofsted inspection is due. Teacher's will bribe pupils to behave (my horrible year 9 class did actually behave for the full 20 mins the inspector was in my room which was a bloody miracle, but the minute he walked out the classroom they started cheering and throwing things, which he heard.) The things I could tell that go on in the failing UK school system you would not believe...and bullying teachers, trying to force them to make an broken system work is NOT the answer. I went to a teacher's recruitment fair here in Vancouver and a London, UK teaching agency was here trying to recruit Canadians to go teach there. Does anyone sit and ask for a minute why they can't get teacher's to stay??? Now we have a new 2012 framework as well New Ofsted Framework I have every sympathy and respect for anyone that chooses to be a teacher, but I am so glad that I'm out of it now, as you're on a hiding to nothing. I have no plans on going back. Right now I actually quite content doing math tutoring to lovely sweet Canadian teenagers. I really hope the Canadian education system doesn't go the way the UK one has. The teacher's are currently fighting changes the government here wants to bring in to save money that will take us down that dark path. Reality Internet Personality |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19047 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/meet-the-worst-8th-grade-math-teacher-in-nyc/2012/05/15/gIQArmlbSU_blog.html Reminds me of the occasion I was sent on a course, because the rules and regulations said you had to. Before you could work on the equipment. Even though I had been on the initial equipment trial at the manufacturers, with all the design staff etc. First day of course, sit exam to see how much students know of the techniques, score 100%. Then spent 6 weeks correcting the "knowledge" of the instructors. End of course exam 100%. Damning course report because I had made no improvement. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19047 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9275114/GCSEs-and-A-levels-two-grades-easier-than-Far-East-exams.html Just found this, but not read thoughly, my chauffeur has arrived, C U later. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Not been around much Chris, too busy. :) Thanks Chris. I was actually quite appreciated over there by the people that mattered, most of my pupils (even the evil hateful ones) and the other staff. That particular school begged me to stay, but I was leaving for Canada and could not. They were excellent people doing their best in a really tough situation. I am well aware that I am very good at my job, and that is also being reflected back to me here. However, Ofsted is a joke that makes things worse and doesn't deal with the real problems. By all means, let the parents come in and see how little Johnny behaves when they aren't around. I had one pupil (a year 7) who was pretty much unteachable. He once got upset with me because I was trying to get him to settle down and do some work so he said he was going to phone his mum and complain. I told him to go ahead as I wanted a word with her. He dialled her and put her on speaker phone and all I could here was her screaming down the phone at him "What the F**k are you doing calling me??" before she hung up on him. At that moment it all became clear to me why him and his older sister (who I also taught) were so terrible in class. Reality Internet Personality |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Well..Daily Mail..but this is one article I can believe. Having heard many similar stories from other teachers. Like I said, experienced teachers have been marked outstanding by one inspector then failed by another for teaching in exactly the same way the same thing. As to your article on parenting classes..I am not sure they are bad idea at all. However, if they are going to attempt to fix "marriage" then they need to look at the root cause of why so marriages are failing. Perhaps the parenting classes should also be targeted at the absent fathers rather than the just parents who actually are sticking around to do right by their children. Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I think that all teachers & schools (within each level that is) should be "preaching from the same hymn book" & also, realise that the school's "dress code" should not impinge a person's body. it's summer for christ's sake! Good job I'm not at school in today's society as come summer, I went as low as a number 1! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19047 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Have they left it too late? Probably. This was in yesterday's Telegraph. School leavers 'unable to function in the workplace' More than four in 10 employers are being forced to provide remedial training in English, maths and IT amid concerns teenagers are leaving school lacking basic skills, it emerged today. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Ooops, double post, sorry. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Have they left it too late? Interestingly the Fail mentions: The Daily Fail wrote: Many teachers may not have been taught grammar at school, having been educated in the 1970s and 1980s. What was the "looney lefty" administration during the 1980s? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
1964 Harold Wilson Labour Thanks. If I'm reading your post correctly, for 5 out of 20 years of the 70s and 80s that the Fail mentioned there were Labour governments, for the remaining 15 there were Conservative. As for your comment on left wing policies in Education, perhaps you would be so kind as to remind the younger folks here who was the Minister responsible for Education under Edward Heath ;-). I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Not at all, happy to. Why did you drop the last sentence from the quoted paragraph "But she mastered the job and was toughened by the experience", and why not provide its source? I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Good one, considering Bobby brought that subject matter up in the 1st place, it should be down to him to provide the statements & source.... ...best laid traps of men & mice... :) |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Why did you drop the last sentence from the quoted paragraph "But she mastered the job and was toughened by the experience", and why not provide its source? There are some old threads on these boards where Rush and I discuss various topics, that you feel my comments are deserving of comparison with his, is to my mind, highly complimentary. And no, I don't feel I'm being Mr Picky, when you dropped "But she mastered the job" I believe you substantially changed the full text. If you believe I am being picky when asking for links, not citing your source is an insult to the original author. Sirius wrote: Good one, considering Bobby brought that subject matter up in the 1st place, it should be down to him to provide the statements & source.... Sirius, it was your post of a Daily Mail article and Chris's comment about "looney lefty" practices that started my line of questioning about administrations in place when today's teachers were being taught. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
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