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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Science grades inflated. Schools' tricks to inflate science grades revealed - BBC or Teachers ‘mark pupils higher’ to lift rankings In one case, a teacher was asked: “Are you saying that .. assessments are being done in such a way to give the child a higher level or higher grade than the one they will achieve through an accurate assessment.†The reply was “Yes, basically.†|
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
As the father of an autistic child, who is mentally about 11 years old, I know too well the problems of "unteachable". Unfortunately the education specialists, health professionals, social services and every Tom, Dick and Harry seems to think they know different, until they have had their go. Usually spending thousands in the process. But I don't think the Teenagers have to keep studying English and maths policy is going to help. There should be some point, either at 11 or 14, or both, that the schools say no further progress towards GCSE etc. until you can write clearly and show a basic understanding in maths. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The problem is a lot of the institutions involved in teaching those who don't pass the required standard, put all those students in the same "special needs bucket". So that you will get the true medically challenged and the others all in the same class. This doesn't help anybody, no matter how many specialist teachers and helpers are in there. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
This certainly does not help the issues either.... You need to look further back on the thread on the days when you get up at lunch time. I already linked that one. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Oops, slaps himself on wrist. That'll teach me. As for being asleep at lunch time? Naw, on a tacho break using Iphone & laptop sipping a pint :) |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Now here is what could be a good idea. Family income not a factor as students eat free In the UK the politicians could get this going and at the same time reduce child benefit, as reducing benefits is one of this governments main aims. |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
... So let's examine this. Why are so many students coming to the classroom "unteachable"? Bad parenting? Possibly. But it is more than that because there is such hostility against authority (in particular teachers) by these students that there has to be more to it than that. Poverty? Possibly. Parents just trying to survive have trouble putting the effort needed to raise a child properly. However we have very poor children here in Canada and still don't have the extreme behavioral problems that I saw in the UK. Bad teachers? I have seen the most awesome teachers in my time teaching in the UK. Teaching standards since I was at school have gone through the roof. I would love to have had teachers teaching me in the progressive ways that teachers teach now. Rather than succeeding despite the education system, I would have thrived. So lets turn it on its head. What is the common trend I have noticed in the best behaved most engaged pupils? Respect for teachers and the value of education. That is it. Pure and simple. If the pupils have a general respect for teachers and the value of education then they will do their best at school. It doesn't even have that much to do with the quality of the teachers. So where to children learn to respect teachers and education? ok, so here is the Educational "Psychobabble" that certain people here are so dismissive of. Children learn from ALL the adults around the (not just their parents). If the parents respect teachers then the students will. It doesn't matter what the parents and society tells them to think. The adults have to do what is called modelling the behaviour they what their children to display. What sort of attitude do you think parents who read the Daily Mail model? What sort of attitude do you think parents who hated school themselves model? What sort of attitude do you think parents who think teachers are lazy union members model? and so on You want to know why children don't respect teachers? Read this thread, watch how the media treats teachers. They came by it honestly. Reality Internet Personality |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Yes it was a good post. I think that Es highlighted an interesting point in that there has to be more to the issues involved. For 10 years (aged 4 to 14) I was beaten several times to within an inch of my life (with some being that serious, it's noted on my medical records). Attending an all boys school didn't help matters as many attempts were made to bully which after what I had experienced, was not standing still for. That eventually got me permanently expelled. Being put into a mixed school (& at that age, what an eye opener in more ways than one). The teaching was fantastic. Over 40 years on, one thing amazes me to this day. How I've never become a hardened criminal or a woman hater. Now to a surprise which I only heard about fairly recently. While living in London, I had a good friend who at the time became a boyfriend to one of my sisters. This guy had loving parents & raised him and his sister good. From what I understood at that time, he also had a good education. After leaving school & asides from him visiting the family home, I often bumped into him or his sister on my travels. He became a wheeler dealer & the reason why I lost touch? He served a lengthy prison sentence for manslaughter. That shook me as he was a friendly cheerful & happy go lucky guy. Looking at the two sides, one would automatically think it would have been the other way around. Like Es stated, there has to be someting else in the mix. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
He had all that, yet did time for a very serious offence, so that's out the window. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So Es, based on your experiences in both countries, what the hell is wrong with the UK in general, and teaching in particular, and how would you go about putting it right? Let teachers teach & politicians stay out of education. Careers advice failing "The duty to provide careers guidance was placed on schools at a time when most existing infrastructure and funding for such provision had been removed." And just who removed those provisions? Why the government of course! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Encourage you children to read is the massage in this item, Maths advantage for pupils who read for pleasure. Children who read for pleasure are likely to do better in maths and English than those who rarely read in their free time, research suggests. The study, by the Institute of Education, London University, examined the reading habits of 6,000 children. |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
The careers adviser at my school told me i would become a journalist or an auditor. Ten years later i'm a pharmaceutical chemist, that worked out well. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22200 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Truly as accurate as ever. One of my cohort at school convinced the carers people he was going to be a tree surgeon, he ended up working in the local council offices.... Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
My career adviser at my Grammar school told me to become a Quantity Surveyor. On comparing notes we found he had said the same to everyone (boys Grammar only). I ended up graduating as a Chemical Engineer, and enjoyed 45 years working in various chemical industries. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Now this is a surprise, Atheism to be taught to Irish schoolchildren |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I bet that will cause quite a furore. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
For those in the UK and know youngsters think of going to University the the Russel Group have produced this "Informed Choices" |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The problem is a lot of the institutions involved in teaching those who don't pass the required standard, put all those students in the same "special needs bucket". Uhhh ... what? On what do you base this? Provide some current examples. The trend in the US since somewhere around 1993-1995 has been "inclusion" ... elimination of "tracks" (advanced, college bound but not advanced, etc. ... ). I'm willing to bet it was already occurring elsewhere, like the UK, before here. What you describe is more like what I experienced. Neither is a perfect approach. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I'm not going to give you published examples. I have to live, some of the time, with one my 30+ year old Autistic son. And as you might realise I had to deal with him and the education system for a long time. For him the expensive system they put in place, for all the "special needs" children, did not work, and if they had listened to me and the doctors should have realised it was not going to work. Special Needs as far as I can make out on my experience, is all kids who the normal teachers cannot deal with. |
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