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dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. ==================================================== my schools were tracked |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. We are of a different generation. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
We are of a different generation. They do fast track in some schools, but in a way that is good for the school and not for the pupil. If a pupil is capable of passing a subject with a "C" or higher grade early, they get that pupil to take the exam early, but usually with no extra teaching in that subject. This means that some sudents get a "B" or "C" early but if they waited would easily get an "A" which would mean a lot more. Then they the get the student to take extra exams in the next year, that they normally wouldn't have had time to study, do homework for etc, so that school can say "we" got more exam passes than expected. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
if education worked the way it should, then each and every student would get the most education possible for that student, which would be different for each that should be the goal. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
A bit late in the day, but if they start now, they might just be able to turn things around..... Parents must teach the difference between right & wrong says watchdog |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
This one should probably called "teachers role in education". 'You gotta take this job seriously, this is the future of this nation': US high school student ranting about education caught on film |
Darth Beaver Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 |
Oh my good golly gosh ..... Over here in oz we had a problem with this and it didn't help with the gov giving people a 7 grand bonus just for having a kid to push the birth rate back up so now single parents will have to find jobs once the child starts going to school and there are a whole range of other things they have brought in to stop single mothers just having a kid to get more money of social security and the same will apply for married couples getting social security and it seems to be working . Common cents idea without penalising those that do the right thing or saying let's just get rid of the welfare system , hope they have done the same over in England |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24877 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
This one should probably called "teachers role in education". & to add to the above: - From innocent curiosity to Illegal activities |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
In two minds about this one. There was a similar scheme on Demob in the late 40's after WWII, but they were never seen as "proper" teachers by their colleagues. Reading between the lines. A DfE spokesman stressed that top military specialists often have relevant experience, particularly in science and technology which could help redress the shortage of teachers in some subjects. I suspect this actually means there is only 100 or probably a lot less per year that would fit into this category. There are a few senior NCO's and Warrant Officers that actually get awarded a degree on completion of a course. In my day it was an HNC if you were selected to do an extra 8 weeks. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Don't agree with everything M. Gove's is trying to do, and not sure where this is going. They say it is like the old GCE exam, but then English was split into two exam's English and English Literature. With the requirement to read a Shakespeare play and a 19th century book it seems more like the lit exam rather than the English exam. GCSEs: New-look tougher exams revealed |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
As I have noted earlier in the thread --there are no parents in many of the inner city schools. With 80% born out of wedlock many have no father and an absentee mother who works or is otherwise not in the home. Children are often raised by others. So what happens is that many children have never experienced discipline of any kind and hence will wreck a classroom for any kids that want to learn. The term "in loco parentis" --in place of parents-- is applied to the responsibilities of the educational system. Giving the child a good whack on the fanny with a paddle or removing them from the classroom is apparently no longer an option --hence the doom of public education in the inner city. It is a condition that won't be fixed in light of our current social mores. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I don't know why they do grading. Could you spot the difference between two pupils if one got 49% (D) and the other got 50% (C). Or 89 and 90 if 90 is the grade boundary. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Another report that indicates the one size fits all use of comprehensive schools in the UK is a failure. http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2013/jun/13/state-schools-pupils-ofsted-chief http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-22873257 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/10116938/Brightest-pupils-failed-by-state-comprehensives-Ofsted.html |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9954 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
I suspect you are going to like this. A close friend has 3 daughters her eldest 2 both have good jobs and have turned out well. Her youngest (14) has had a few problems at school and to cut a long story short, Social Services have become involved, despite providing a stable home and having 2 daughters with no problems my friend is seen as at fault. One thing the social worker said was that she must allow her daughter to use "street speak" otherwise she will feel isolated. My friend is furious and hates hearing her daughter "sound so uneducated"! Hopefully her daughter will realise not to use it when she eventually applies for a job!! |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Yes I do like it! Isn't it nice to hear about a responsible parent for a change? But I would like to comment further, and I'll be very careful as I do. You don't say whether your friend is a single parent family or not, if she is, then she deserves even more credit for bringing up 2 girls that have turned out well, and being concerned about the younger one. I do have some knowledge of Social Services from my time as an FE teacher, as it is not unusual to have colleagues whose wives are also primary or secondary school teachers. Schools don't usually get the SS involved unless they have exhausted their own disciplinary procedures first, so it does sound as if she has been a real concern. Alternatively there is a well established complaints system for decisions of Children's Services. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11360 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Major, you folks in Texas have a handle on it with the increasing size of the public school classes. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
One thing the social worker said was that she must allow her daughter to use "street speak" otherwise she will feel isolated. My friend is furious and hates hearing her daughter "sound so uneducated"! I didn't know your government was doing such a fine job of keeping the people shackled to a welfare system. Of course I expect that out of the American Union teacher system. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
So nothing has changed. The recruit soon finds out that if they are to advance they have to get educated or remain as cannon fodder for as long as they remain in the Army, or on the reserve. Army website Training and Education. Regarding your last para, I would disagree, the Army Education system is not that bad. Probably better than schools, and the pupils must obey, no bad behaviour allowed, it is a punishable offence, loss of pay etc. By law they are not allowed to serve outside UK, so there is a period of up to 2 years to train and educate these people. Then there are the Apprenticeships they run, when I joined it was done by education and IQ tests. To be an Electronics apprentice the min IQ level was 120. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19013 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I see the schools are at it again, because the exams are too easy, a lot of students are taking the exams twice. The excuse being that at their second attempt it is to boost the students rating, but in actual fact it is to get more passes on the score sheet for the schools and therefore improve the schools rating. Students should not be studying for the same exam twice they should be pushed into reaching the next level. Schools ask pupils to sit maths exams twice to boost their league table scores More pupils taking GCSEs earlier, says Ofqual And a push from the CBI (Confederation of British Industry) to get back to traditional higher education. Traditional degrees will not fill skills gap, says CBI |
The Simonator Send message Joined: 18 Nov 04 Posts: 5700 Credit: 3,855,702 RAC: 50 |
I'm not sure poverty is the main reason for this, I still think it is that far too many parents "just can't be bothered" across the board. Hence the title of this thread. God forbid parents should have to educate their own children! Both myself and my sister could read, write, do basic maths, use full sentences etc long before starting school. That's because my mother took the time to teach us these vital skills. I would say anything else is tantamount to child neglect, or even abuse. This line also caught my eye as interesting: An unnamed head teacher told researchers that the label of special educational needs might be "often used as an excuse for low expectations and under-preparation on the part of parents". Definitely has a point. I have no doubt that dyslexia (and all the other dys...s) do exist, but they should be a rare exception, not a convenient tag. Many teachers must find extremely irritating such parental excuses as 'oh it's not his fault, he's got ADD'. No he hasn't, he's just naughty because you never made him toe the line. Deep breaths Simon! This line also grabbed my attention. It says, for example, that only 26% of white boys on free school meals achieve five good GCSEs compared with 40% of black boys on free school meals. At my school 0% of white boys got free school meals, and i achieved 6 A*s and 4 As at GCSE, then three As and two Bs at A level. Free school meals, who needs 'em. Also black boys only appeared on Oxfam posters, but that's northern country life for you. Life on earth is the global equivalent of not storing things in the fridge. |
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