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John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
True Chris Literacy and innumeracy was reported at 5% of the adult population by the end of the 1960s. I saw it had risen to close on 23% now, all due to better more effective teaching?? It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/21-12-2012/123261-americans_children-0/ Why Americans cannot discipline their children |
Es99 Send message Joined: 23 Aug 05 Posts: 10874 Credit: 350,402 RAC: 0 |
Let’s pay each teacher what they’re worth ...and actually letting the teacher's get on with what they are trained to do. You are right, the problem is from the top. Too much emphasis on exam results and league tables means teacher's can't focus on what education is actually for. Reality Internet Personality |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
I find it ironic that no one has yet pointed out that while schools provide education that no child need be limited to this education. If my child was to enter school today the first thing I would do would be to barrow my child's books after home work on the first day and read them. seeing the horrible state that education is in, I would help my child with the required work and then see to it that he or she got enough more to be able to learn independently of school so they could learn what interested them. The best teaching method is 1 teacher and 1 student this is called the Socratic method, the schools do not have time for this so the parent frequently is the only candidate for the first child at least. |
rob smith Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 22200 Credit: 416,307,556 RAC: 380 |
Today's x-box generation of children are, in the main, the product of the preceding tv-box generation. they were taught by being planted on the floor in front of s screen with garish moving pictures, and shouted words by inane so called "children's presenters". The progress to the x-box (generic term) is even less educational with even more inane blobs that make noises, shoot, splat... Parents, indeed family and society as a whole have a "duty of care" to ensure that children are taught, not only the "3-Rs", but also essential life skills, such as how to interact with other humans of all ages. Most of today's adults all too often see children as a "necessary inconvenience", not as our future. Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe? |
Scary Capitalist Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0 |
How dare you!!!!! What gives you the right to assume responsibility over your own child. Your offspring are members of society and should be governed accordingly. They don't exist for their own happiness. The greatest moral life for them consists of serving others and consequently the state. How SELFISH! Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Scary, thanks for bringing this back to the top, thought I was going to have to go hunting for this thread. The Chief Inspector of Schools In England, Sir Michael Wilshaw, has said in the Telegraph, Brightest pupils failed by state schools Sir Michael Wilshaw has ordered an urgent “rapid response survey†of how state schools teach the most able children. It will be the most extensive investigation of gifted and talented provision undertaken by the watchdog. Also in the Guardians Teacher Blog, Secret Teacher: A levels do need fixing, but not how Michael Gove suggests ____________________________________________________________________________ One of the subjects often brought up is Maths, and those that decide what is taught in Maths. Somehow the area's covered has changed and for science and engineering what is taught in schools is no longer fit for purpose. This is brought home in The Engineering Council - Measuring the Mathematics Problem (pdf) The findings are on page iii. This led me to a comparison of 13 and 14 year olds for the years 1976 and 2008in Algrebra, ratio's and fractions, and decimals. Secondary students' Understanding of Mathematics 30 years on (pdf) What is surprising is that even though things have changed there is very little difference over the years. Which again led my on to Using maths to estimate the exam grade values
Of course I did have to check what my two "B"s and a "C" at A level that I got in 1964 would be in today's exams. http://www.compare-exams.com/ |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
They are at it again. Four US states considering laws that challenge teaching of evolution Critics charge 'academic freedom' legislation in Colorado, Missouri, Montana and Oklahoma is just creationism in disguise |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Most kids now are either created after Saturday night down the pub, or deliberately as a meal ticket to get more social money. Parents drag 'em up until 5 then hand them over to the state education system, and then effectively wash their hands of them. Chris, I don't know what it is you have seen that leads you to make these sweeping statements about current parenting, though it's not been my experience. If this is merely opinion stated as fact, fine, otherwise please provide data to back them up. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Another article explaining the "race to the bottom" of today's education policies, this one in the USA and the effects of "No Child Left Behind". A warning to college profs from a high school teacher A good insight into the problems facing school teachers, even if you disagree with my view point. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
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dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
when i was younger i worked for a computer store. this store install a 4 year learning program written by McGraw-Hill in a junior high. the slowest kid in the school went though the entire 4 years of material in 9 months. now these kids were allowed to do this program as much as they wanted instead of the limited time a day that it was designed for. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
If you care about education then you must read this, ‘I have had enough’ – veteran teacher tells school board |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
by route learning is hard on both student and teacher, but computers in this role have infinite patients and can be geared to see patterns in the child's learning, and individualize the material presentation to each child, freeing the teacher to help children with the problems they still do not get. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
Hi dancer, I have corrected a couple of typos for you. i apologize for the dyslexia each student is a mix of auditory, visual, and textural learning, for each child this mix is different, to teach to a group is at best to teach to the low middle of the group. to use buddy's that are poorly matched is worse that no help at all. with today's computers it is easy to customize the presentation to best support each child. the teachers are still there to teach, the computers will simply take over the most tedious portion of this task. p.s. thanks for the correction. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19062 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I was under the impression that learning by rote was frowned upon these days. That kids these days do not learn the multiplication tables by endless repition, or history by a list of dates etc. etc. How much time should teaching staff spend on underperforming students? and if they do spend time on these students are they not ignoring the best students by not having the time to push them to higher levels. I ask this because a lot of school education resources were spent on one of my sons, to no effect. And the other was ignored because he is intelligent and didn't need help to meet the schools targets of exam passes. The son where they spent lots of time and money on is Autistic, and is still effectively an eleven year old. The other son went to good universities, now MSc, but if he had been given an extra push should probably have gone to Oxbridge. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
when allowed to progress at their own pace the junior high i mentioned earlier had the slowest student there go though 4 years of material in 9 months the fastest were done in 3. it is possible with computer aided learning to push all the kids all the time. and to push then in a manner that is best suited to get results for each child. teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. this is dancers room mate i went to the normal classes in the Norman Oklahoma public school system. i had many teachers tell me that i was beyond their class but they couldn't do anything about it because of bureaucracy. i spent my class room time (except for the 15 minutes to actually do the homework) reading fictional books. i got so board with school that i ended up hitchhiking around the country when i should have been graduating. i have many times in both my school days and my adult life talked to teachers in the public school system. over 90% of those I've talked to have told me that they cannot give the bright students the time they need because there are to many students in their classes and their standing is degraded if they don't get everyone to pass. |
dancer42 Send message Joined: 2 Jun 02 Posts: 455 Credit: 2,422,890 RAC: 1 |
i had the same thing happen 15 years before with the caveat that the excuse of bureaucracy and testing were not valid. and being paired badly with several bad students i was driven to conniptions trying to explain the simplest things to slower student wasting much of my time to little effect. and while i had a few good teachers they were handicapped by class size and could only do so much. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
teaching to the group slows down everybody not just the bright ones. I think I've seen you post about tracks in the UK schools. There are no tracks in USA schools. The morons sit in the same class as the gifted. The class is taught with the aim of getting the most passing scores on the standardized test. Better the pass rate the more $ for the school. |
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