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Message 1302370 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 2:56:13 UTC - in response to Message 1302055.  

Public education has been indoctrinating liberals since the hippie movement of the 60s. Liberalism teaches discrimination is wrong. Wrong in ALL cases. You see, to discriminate is ...

Dang dem Libs (that came in with Dewey, about 3-4 decades before the hippy 60s)!
I sure hope dem Libs don't mess mah kids up on dat Quadratic Equation ... err, Formula (1).
Cuz I done heard you can duhstinguish a difference between 2 real solutions (and wedder they be integers, rationals or irr-LIBBER-asstional), a single real solution (repeated, hens Mikey Keaton "Multiplicity") or 2 complex solutions (eye hates those imaginary nummers!).
No how they does it? By using a thingy called a DISCRIMINANT.
BTW, the floor needs worshed in here.
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Message 1302387 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 4:21:33 UTC - in response to Message 1302351.  
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bobby,

My latest avatar is from a vintage video game.

Qbert lived in a world where the force of gravity came from three directions and when he spoke, he spoke in an alien language.

You, being the NARW type of person you are, are hearing the sounds of Qbert from me.

We cannot communicate because I apparently speak an unknown alien language to you.


I hope my Appalachin was close enough to Texan to make sense to you. ;)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=66639&postid=1302370.
P.S.-glad to see you finally posted a pic of yourself. It was really hard to believe you resembled Mr. T. As QBert, indeed, I do now hate you because you're sexier than me.
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Message 1302469 - Posted: 5 Nov 2012, 13:00:17 UTC - in response to Message 1302351.  

bobby,

My latest avatar is from a vintage video game.

Qbert lived in a world where the force of gravity came from three directions and when he spoke, he spoke in an alien language.

You, being the NARW type of person you are, are hearing the sounds of Qbert from me.

We cannot communicate because I apparently speak an unknown alien language to you.


Interesting you bring up the NARW label, wouldn't a belief in absolutes reduce one's ability to discriminate (2nd meaning) and increase the likelihood of discriminating (1st meaning)?
I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1303873 - Posted: 9 Nov 2012, 5:35:54 UTC

Government bans calculators from primary maths tests. That I assume will be for England and maybe Wales.

This might be a step in the right direction. But personally I would perfer a system based on ability rather than age. But that would lead to streaming and suggesting that, gets politicians and teachers upset.
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Message 1304319 - Posted: 10 Nov 2012, 6:42:28 UTC - in response to Message 1303938.  

I agree with the Government. Calculators are there to save time in complex mathematical calculations. They are not there to replace basic thinking skills and processes. We have a whole generation of kids that simply cannot do simple sums in their head because they have never had to. Teach 'em the basic principles first, then use calculators as a simple tool to save time, and avoid human error.

In my 11+ third chance interview at County Hall, I was asked to "add up in your head 17, 18, 19 and 18". I couldn't do it. What they were looking for was a sideways ability to "see" that it was equivalent to 4 x 18. Double it 36, double it 72. I didn't pass! although I did get the 13+ and went to Technical College.

Try that little maths question on people you know, and see how many, if any, get it right without pencil and paper. Potential Grammar school pupils in 1956 were expected to be able to do it, and without a calculator in sight!.


I got my calculator from a dollar store. Damn thing drives me crazy and it usually takes about 3 or 4 goes to get it to give the same answer twice in a row. When doing calculations on the board I find it's often quicker to them sums without it, and I still get the answer quicker than my students who are using calculators.
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Message 1304470 - Posted: 10 Nov 2012, 14:32:11 UTC
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Have a customer here waiting for his laptop to be recovered. While waiting, he decided to read the paper.

Just as I completed the job, he asked me a question: -

"What's a nine letter word for the following clues"

Solitary Confinement, in Coventry prehaps?

9 letters were provided, these being: - a,t,o,n,i,i,s,l,o.

He spent 15 minutes on this & he's a university student studying law....

My instant reply was Isolation.

Modern education....Doh!
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Message 1305946 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 0:49:02 UTC

Now here's a problem, according to Time to square up to the roots of our maths problem, there are more than 300,000 students studying degrees that require maths beyond GCSE level; of these, only 125,000 have done a maths A-level.
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Message 1306636 - Posted: 16 Nov 2012, 1:44:16 UTC

And now in the UK 29,000 of 15 and 16 year olds cannot read the exam questions, that's over 5% of the population.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20346204
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Message 1307277 - Posted: 18 Nov 2012, 4:32:22 UTC - in response to Message 1303938.  

When a student, or anyone, doesn't progress to the point to where he/she can conduct these computations in their heads it's indicative that they've been deprived of proper education in basic logical thinking.

They can use calculators later but raising ignorant people is not doing them favors.

Mathematics isn't just useful for math for its own sake. It serves to discipline the mind in general so that that serves them later for so many more tasks and most importantly, for a rational mindset in general in all subjects.
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Message 1307876 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 21:01:00 UTC

It had to happen eventually I suppose, just wondering what the standards would be like if this happens...

"Star Trek Schools"
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Message 1308059 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 10:22:17 UTC - in response to Message 1307876.  

For that to happen, with any degree of sucess, then teachers are going to have to get all the students to think and use the technology to find the correct methods and data to answer the questions.
That would be a complete change in the education system, at the moment the students are usually spoon fed until they go to university or do a National Certificate/Dipolma.

Cannot see it happening soon, but it should, as technology is now changing so fast the teachers cannot know what technology will be available 6 months after the kids leave school.
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Message 1308074 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 11:47:05 UTC - in response to Message 1308067.  

That would be a complete change in the education system, at the moment the students are usually spoon fed until they go to university or do a National Certificate/Dipolma.

Mainly because schools have to maintain their position in league tables. Scrap that system and there could be a way forward.

Cannot see it happening soon, but it should, as technology is now changing so fast the teachers cannot know what technology will be available 6 months after the kids leave school.

That is what FE Colleges are supposed to be there for, to take over from, and build upon, mainstream education. They are up front with technology, they have to be to do their job.


Except that recently, that's in the last 5 years, a lot of FE colleges are now concentrating on, academic "A" level education for University entrants and practical "Apprenticeships" using NVQ's only. i.e. the only IT course can be described as "how to basically use MS office". Which on last checking with my neighbour doesn't even teach how to set up a syle sheet from scratch. She still teaches that at the end of sentence there should be two spaces, and double line break for para break.

Several friends of mine have effectively got the boot because the courses they taught, (programming and electronics), were scrapped because they were National based, above the capabilities of the non-university capable entrants.
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Message 1308217 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 1:23:37 UTC - in response to Message 1308059.  

For that to happen, with any degree of sucess, then teachers are going to have to get all the students to think and use the technology to find the correct methods and data to answer the questions.
That would be a complete change in the education system, at the moment the students are usually spoon fed until they go to university or do a National Certificate/Dipolma.

Cannot see it happening soon, but it should, as technology is now changing so fast the teachers cannot know what technology will be available 6 months after the kids leave school.


I agree with WK that spoon feeding goes on, and technology changes can be kept up with by researching the SOA for that area.
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Message 1308335 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 12:57:13 UTC - in response to Message 1308293.  

I used so many word processors and DTP programs that I forget in which it is style sheets and in which it is templates.

It is only now, that I see why I got comments from two teachers saying he was very consistant in his page layout. I taught him to use templates (style sheets) because it makes it easier to automate many items, like putting title, name in header and date, page number and HDD location in the footers. It also helps with left and right pages so that pages can be punched cleanly.

And for correspondence automatic insertion of sender addr, date etc, and putting in tags for sendee addr, subject etc.

Therefore something that should be taught early, not late in the teaching of WP.
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Message 1309127 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 6:59:10 UTC - in response to Message 1307876.  

It had to happen eventually I suppose, just wondering what the standards would be like if this happens...

"Star Trek Schools"


Even better than the above, or is it just a gimmick?

Star Trek style classroom
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Message 1310988 - Posted: 28 Nov 2012, 11:29:10 UTC

Maybe help is at hand.

Norwegian app aims to make math cool

(Reuters) - The startup behind the algebra app that overtook Angry Birds as No. 1 in the Norwegian app store earlier this year aims to replicate that success globally next year with four more mathematics games.


For teachers and parents, or anybody wishing to revise their maths the site is http://wewanttoknow.com/
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Message 1311470 - Posted: 5 Dec 2012, 20:44:16 UTC

Not good news for our US readers.

Downward mobility haunts US education
Andreas Schleicher, special adviser on education at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), says the US is now the only major economy in the world where the younger generation is not going to be better educated than the older.
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Message 1311471 - Posted: 5 Dec 2012, 20:46:39 UTC - in response to Message 1311470.  

Not good news for our US readers.

Downward mobility haunts US education
Andreas Schleicher, special adviser on education at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), says the US is now the only major economy in the world where the younger generation is not going to be better educated than the older.

Teacher Unions fit in where?

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Message 1311823 - Posted: 6 Dec 2012, 17:42:53 UTC

Let’s pay each teacher what they’re worth

Dangerous idea, unless it is a move to cut the education budget.
Based on the performance as published by the government a large percentage of the teachers would get a pay cut.

But as most teachers have to do as they are told, by the government, and not do their best to teach the subject, maybe the best place to start with "paying what they are worth" should start at the top.
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