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Message 1280071 - Posted: 4 Sep 2012, 23:25:37 UTC - in response to Message 1279579.  

[quote]Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

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The unattributed quote appears to be from this (thanks search engine). The sentence that precedes it is:

Statistics show just what that fullness means.


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It's unclear to me why a piece of paper signed by two adults can make a difference regarding the outcomes of their offspring. Belief in the magical powers of a marriage certificate do not seem to me to be an answer to the deprivations associated with single parenthood.

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1280186 - Posted: 5 Sep 2012, 8:14:11 UTC - in response to Message 1280071.  

[quote]Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock.

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The unattributed quote appears to be from this (thanks search engine). The sentence that precedes it is:

Statistics show just what that fullness means.


No details regarding the source of the statistics are provided.

It's unclear to me why a piece of paper signed by two adults can make a difference regarding the outcomes of their offspring. Belief in the magical powers of a marriage certificate do not seem to me to be an answer to the deprivations associated with single parenthood.


I think the subject should actually be "single parent". You are quite right about marriage. I don't think for one instance that what is meant here. It is single parent families where the father of the child has little or no contact.

At least that's what I took it to be.
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Message 1289816 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 19:39:17 UTC

Boy oh boy...can someone tell me the date please? Think I've been in a coma for 6 months.......

Parents must pay £26 for a CRB check before being allowed to watch their children on sports days

Do they have to pay a "collection charge" to be able to take them home at the end of the school day?
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Message 1289827 - Posted: 30 Sep 2012, 20:02:47 UTC

Even more scary than that are the cases where someone has a satisfactory CRB check ends up in court on charges of child abuse over a number of years, including before their most recent CRB checks...
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Message 1293202 - Posted: 9 Oct 2012, 14:16:50 UTC - in response to Message 1293176.  

He's a politician, that says it all.
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Message 1293205 - Posted: 9 Oct 2012, 14:19:20 UTC - in response to Message 1293172.  

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Message 1293206 - Posted: 9 Oct 2012, 14:20:08 UTC - in response to Message 1293203.  

Now now Sirius ... behave.



Me behave? Aw, c'mon, since when have I advocated killing kids. My name is not Ian Brady or Mark Bridger!
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Message 1293514 - Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 16:58:54 UTC - in response to Message 1290721.  

Physics teaching

I'm sure my friend ES99 may have a comment here?


Doesn't surprise me in the least. There is still a stereotype that physics is a boys subject and I do my best to work against that, but I'd have to teach them before they get to 6th form to convince them them that physics is for gurls.

My BFs niece came over for thanksgiving dinner this weekend, she's an engineer so I asked her to talk to my oldest son about the different types of engineering he might chose to study at university. His girlfriend was with us and she piped up with the question "what sort of things are there that girls can study at university?" me and the niece both chimed in unison "Engineering!". I was rather surprised and saddened at the question and the assumption that there are still "girls" subjects and "boys" subjects.
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Message 1293517 - Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 17:01:13 UTC - in response to Message 1293514.  

& don't forget the ridicule that the kids provide all on their own. Because I undertook technical studies, there were several class periods vacant every week.

I wanted to take up cooking & needlework...BOY was that a mistake. Got ridiculed by the kids & teachers!
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Message 1293518 - Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 17:02:48 UTC - in response to Message 1293172.  
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A "new" role for parents? http://thinkprogress.org/election/2012/10/08/974321/republican-candidate-in-arkansas-says-parents-should-seek-death-penalty-for-rebellious-children/?mobile=nc

My eldest would probably have been put to death years ago then. However, as he comes towards the end of his teenage years I have a fluttering of hope for him and am quite relieved I didn't have him killed.
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Message 1299739 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 12:30:27 UTC

For those who want to see if maths standards have fallen since the sixties, do the test yourself and get youngsters in your family tackle these simple maths problems.

Formula 1 Team, Williams struggling to find recruits with maths skills

Alex Burns, the chief executive of the Formula 1 company, which is racing in the Indian Grand Prix, said he was alarmed and surprised that most 16 to 18 year-olds keen to work for the company could not do basic maths sums and had failed to reach a 50pc score on a range of practical tests.


Of the 250 applications for its apprenticeship scheme this year, 45 were invited to an open day and 16 made it through to the tests round. Just six young people passed, with 10 failing to get more than half the answers right – a failure rate of two-thirds.


I did most in my head, and used pencil and paper for Q3, 4 and 14. I got them all right, in a few minutes. Got my son (MSc) to do them, without calculator, and he got the logs questions wrong. He also used pen and paper for most questions.
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Message 1299780 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 14:38:18 UTC

Same for me, and the log one I plotted ...
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Message 1299809 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 16:05:06 UTC - in response to Message 1299780.  

Same for me, and the log one I plotted ...

log(1) = 0, in any usable base.
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Message 1299834 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 16:56:42 UTC - in response to Message 1299739.  

For those who want to see if maths standards have fallen since the sixties, do the test yourself and get youngsters in your family tackle these simple maths problems.

Formula 1 Team, Williams struggling to find recruits with maths skills

Alex Burns, the chief executive of the Formula 1 company, which is racing in the Indian Grand Prix, said he was alarmed and surprised that most 16 to 18 year-olds keen to work for the company could not do basic maths sums and had failed to reach a 50pc score on a range of practical tests.


Of the 250 applications for its apprenticeship scheme this year, 45 were invited to an open day and 16 made it through to the tests round. Just six young people passed, with 10 failing to get more than half the answers right – a failure rate of two-thirds.


I did most in my head, and used pencil and paper for Q3, 4 and 14. I got them all right, in a few minutes. Got my son (MSc) to do them, without calculator, and he got the logs questions wrong. He also used pen and paper for most questions.

All those things are on the GCSE syllabus apart from Logs. Long division is done in primary (elementary) school and they have probably forgotten how to do it by the time they graduate. They use calculators now for practically everything.

In fact looking back over 20 years to my GCSEs I am pretty sure we did not do Logs until 'A' Level. So if the standards have dropped, they dropped a long, long time ago and it has taken them a long time to notice.
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Message 1299853 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 17:26:36 UTC - in response to Message 1299834.  

For those who want to see if maths standards have fallen since the sixties, do the test yourself and get youngsters in your family tackle these simple maths problems.

Formula 1 Team, Williams struggling to find recruits with maths skills

Alex Burns, the chief executive of the Formula 1 company, which is racing in the Indian Grand Prix, said he was alarmed and surprised that most 16 to 18 year-olds keen to work for the company could not do basic maths sums and had failed to reach a 50pc score on a range of practical tests.


Of the 250 applications for its apprenticeship scheme this year, 45 were invited to an open day and 16 made it through to the tests round. Just six young people passed, with 10 failing to get more than half the answers right – a failure rate of two-thirds.


I did most in my head, and used pencil and paper for Q3, 4 and 14. I got them all right, in a few minutes. Got my son (MSc) to do them, without calculator, and he got the logs questions wrong. He also used pen and paper for most questions.

All those things are on the GCSE syllabus apart from Logs. Long division is done in primary (elementary) school and they have probably forgotten how to do it by the time they graduate. They use calculators now for practically everything.

In fact looking back over 20 years to my GCSEs I am pretty sure we did not do Logs until 'A' Level. So if the standards have dropped, they dropped a long, long time ago and it has taken them a long time to notice.


It's around 30 years since I did my GCE "O" levels, logs were part of the syllabus then, though that was likely the last time I looked at a log table, and that might be why I got 14 wrong (if I'd thought about it longer I think I would've figured it out, I gave myself a total of 2 minutes to complete all 15).

I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

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Message 1299902 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 19:30:55 UTC - in response to Message 1299834.  
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All those things are on the GCSE syllabus apart from Logs. Long division is done in primary (elementary) school and they have probably forgotten how to do it by the time they graduate. They use calculators now for practically everything.

In fact looking back over 20 years to my GCSEs I am pretty sure we did not do Logs until 'A' Level. So if the standards have dropped, they dropped a long, long time ago and it has taken them a long time to notice.

The fact they use calculators for everything, should not excuse schools from ensuring the mathematical principles, or the ability to do it the easy way. In your head.

And why, if you are right, were logs moved to "A" level. The non-academic kids that go into an engineering apprenticeship will need to know logs, in some cases on a daily basis.

And what is the point of broadcasters talking about sound levels and strengths of earthquakes if 90% of the audience have no understanding of the units being used.

edit] This is not a personal attack on you Ess, you just happen to be the local teaching rep.
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Message 1299915 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 20:09:56 UTC

Log tables were part of my O Level maths, but the A Levels introduced Regression Analysis and tables. I think I still have my tables some where in the house.
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Message 1299930 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 20:32:32 UTC - in response to Message 1299927.  

I still have mine from 1961.





Now that looks familiar....same one we used in '66.
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Message 1299973 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 22:37:41 UTC - in response to Message 1299927.  
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I still have mine from 1961.





Again, my point that log(1) = 0 in any base.

log[3](243/27) = log[3](3^5/3^3) = log[3](3^2) = 2 * log[3](3) = 2 * 1 = 2.

Beyond that kind of manipulation, the rest will not be easy because many things cannot be (readily)written as a power of the base in question (paticularly when the power ... the exponent ... is not an integer). You had tables (as did I for just a *couple* of years) and now I have a calculator, as do my students. The technology for the "tougher" log questions has changed, but a table is still a technology of sorts.
That is not to say that some students (and some teachers) do not do the easy things on a calculator when I can do it faster, as fast or nearly as fast in my head or on paper/blackboard/whiteboard.
BTW, I *seem* to recall small exposure to logs in 6th grade (age 11-12 years). If not, at least I can guarantee I did work with different bases, like how to write 234 (base ten) in base five, etc. ... .
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