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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
As publicily stated, it's politicians that make the appointments. Case in point is Ed Balls & Baby P. Have not posted the links as it'll take this thread off on a tangent. The problem with politicians is that they only get involved in high profile cases & when they have to make the appointments. They should also have regular sceduled reviews to prevent cases like Baby P ever occuring again. The main problem behind all the public services is "politicial trickery" such as league tables etc - get rid of them & have the services returned to doing the jobs they want to do without any beaurocratic interference. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The teaching unions want phonics re-think. Teaching unions urge rethink of phonics checks About time too. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
I find this very distrubing. Even as a critic of modern teaching methods, I didn't expect to see reports this bad. If you take it with the previous post then over a generation of people have been failed by the education system because they cannot read or do maths to the same standards of their predecessors. Teenagers 'worse at maths than in 1970s', figures show It highlights a key study by King’s College showing how maths skills have declined sharply in a generation. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Thetre should be 3 levels before being allowed into college/university... Certificate of Basic Education Certificate of Standard Education Certificate of Advanced Education With the CBE covering a sufficient standard to enable those who do not seek further education to be employable in that they can apply the "3 R's" sufficiently to satisfy employers. Pretty sure that they can't be messed up, but with too many cooks in the kitchen... who knows...... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Oy you! Stop giving me palpitations! +1 |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Pick this up from the Washington Post, but know it broadly applies to UK schools as well. Why Johnny Can’t Add Without a Calculator Several para's that stand out. According to an October 2011 report, 89 percent of high school math teachers think their students are ready for college-level mathematics. But only 26 percent of post-secondary teachers think the students are ready once they get there. I tried using one such product, Cognitive Tutor from Carnegie Learning, which claims to be “intelligent mathematics software that adapts to meet the needs of ALL students.†One problem asked me to calculate the width of a doorframe, given the frame’s height and a diagonal measurement of the door. After 30 seconds’ work with pen and paper, I submitted my answer: 93.7cm. But Cognitive Tutor wouldn’t accept it. It wanted me to go through an elaborate and cumbersome series of steps to get its answer: 93.723. This isn’t teaching math—it’s teaching how to use a particular software package. The supposed “real-world applications†don’t even reflect the real world. Show me a tape measure that allows you to measure to one-hundredth of a millimeter. A report earlier this year from the University of Michigan showed that K through eight teachers with no math specialization (the vast majority—more than 90 percent of K through six teachers and more than two-thirds of sixth- to eighth-grade teachers) got only half the questions right on a base-line test meant to see whether they knew the material they were supposed to be teaching. The good news is that most teachers are aware of their own limitations: Only about 10 percent of the nonmath specialization K through eight teachers said they were “confident to teach all topics†in math. Promethean, the “interactive whiteboard†company, advertises as a selling point the fact that teachers can share lesson plans online. But drawing up a lesson plan is itself educative: A teacher who plans his own lecture is forced toward mastery of the material, but one who downloads a PowerPoint presentation doesn’t have to know anything beyond how to download the presentation. It is a mirage of efficiency: empty calories. N.B. Promethean is an English company, I did some wrok for them about 15 years ago. http://www.prometheanworld.com/en-gb/contact/united-kingdom |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Good link WK. I often get strange looks when in shops/supermarkets/petrol stations & the electronic tills go down - they can't understand how someone can give the correct totals without a pen,paper or calculator..... ....sheesh, makes me wonder for the future. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
Good link WK. I often get strange looks when in shops/supermarkets/petrol stations & the electronic tills go down - they can't understand how someone can give the correct totals without a pen,paper or calculator..... It's also obvious that educationalists know very little of the real world from that question on doors. Unless hand made to fit a specific gap, doors are all in inches, even on the continent of Europe. Widths in multiples of 3 inches and usually heights of 6ft 6in, some wider doors are 7ft high. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The educationalists say, why should we bother to teach kids mental arithmetic in the 21st century, when for all practical purposes they don't need that ability, because technology has given them a tool to do it for them. ROFLMAO.....because I just thought this after reading your post...... ...SO what happens when the power goes down? |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19012 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
The educationalists say, why should we bother to teach kids mental arithmetic in the 21st century, when for all practical purposes they don't need that ability, because technology has given them a tool to do it for them. So it's all a plot by the rich and powerful to reduce the unwashed masses into an unthinking moldable mass willing to do any task set by the bosses for a few pennies per week. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
so heading towards "Minority Report" society then..... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I think we need more than parents in classes - we need local businesses to go back to school! Just got back from a local shop with some groceries which totalled £16.06, but I got £5.84 in change (handed over a £20 note). On quering this, I got told that the total came to £14.16.... ..huh? Using the marked up prices, the total came to £16.06, yet the barcode scanner totaled £14.16... ...that's a difference of £1.90 & none of the groceries were anywhere need that difference... ...oh well, if they do this every day, who am I to complain? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Not jumping to conclusions, the price of the items purchased were in fact the correct prices (in this case, they forgot to update the barcodes), I attempted to be totally honest with them, but they argued that they were correct, so I'm £1.90 better off. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24875 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Although I am not at all surprised by this article, I and others have seen it coming for many years, but nevertheless, it is extremely worrying to say the least. I think that this is one occasion when the Mail is quite right to print a lurid headline. Figures for previous years might help show whether the heading is accurate. Earlier this year, Dr Mary Bousted, general secretary of the Association of Teachers and Lecturers, said: ‘A minority of children are very aware of their rights, have a total disregard of school rules and are rather less aware of their responsibility for their own learning and how to show respect to staff and other students. ‘This can apply as much to over-indulged middle class children as those from challenging families.’ Why shouldn't children be aware of their rights? BTW Kid A may have a point, the wealthy can often buy their way out of trouble. Kid B has a point too, though the fault there appears to be with the parent(s). Kid C is clearly wrong, not liking a teacher does not excuse violence, and the child will likely be suspended and/or expelled. The latest data emerged days after a psychologist warned that parents who are afraid to discipline their children are creating an unruly generation. Dr Tanya Byron, who featured in BBC TV’s The House of Tiny Tearaways, described the rise of the ‘friend-parent’ who tries to be the child’s equal rather than an authority figure. Why do you equate violence with discipline? Teachers’ leaders said yesterday that a lack of parental support was to blame for discipline problems. Chris Keates, general secretary of the NASUWT, said a recent survey had shown that two-thirds of teachers highlighted poor support from parents. ‘Sending children to school on time, with basic equipment and clear expectations of how they are expected to behave is a critical part of the job of all parents,’ she said. ‘Parents must understand that their responsibility for their child’s behaviour does not end at the school gate.’ Why do you believe people have children for state benefits? It's all part of the current vicious circle, where people come out of school poorly educated, can't get a decent job, and see having kids as a meal ticket. "I'll put up with 'em until they're 5, then I'll hand them over to you lot. If they misbehave in class then you ain't teaching them properly, don't complain to me." At the moment we are in a downward spiral, I do not yet see a way out of it. The one child policy of China is one way around it, but we are a bit more civilised in the West. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Sarge Send message Joined: 25 Aug 99 Posts: 12273 Credit: 8,569,109 RAC: 79 |
The educationalists say, why should we bother to teach kids mental arithmetic in the 21st century, when for all practical purposes they don't need that ability, because technology has given them a tool to do it for them. Oops! Wild, wacky, math educationalists suggest Do the math in your head! |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
The problem with Parents in Classes is that there are no "parents" of children in the inner city schools. Perhaps three quarters of them are born out of wedlock and are raised by their grandmothers. This environment does not promote a home life that is conducive to the nurturing of the child's education in most cases. This is what's fundamentally wrong with our education system. |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30608 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
If the majority of kids are in fact being brought up by their grandparents then why do they not have the standards and moralities of their grandparents era? Perhaps they do. Their parents are the obviously result of being brought up by that generation, so that (grandparents) generation is getting another chance to fail. It looks like we have some evidence of when the failure to parent came into society. |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
Children of unmarried mothers of any race are more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock. There's the problem. Let's not blame the teachers or the lack of funding for schools. We don't have the will to fix this or even to talk about it. The solution would be too draconian for almost any society. Two or three bad apples will ruin the Learning Environment for the entire class. Today we find 10 or more bad apples in a high school class room in the poorer districts of every major city. What do you all propose that we do ?? |
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