As opposed to the Texas politicians who NEVER use funding for other purposes. Cool, glad to know <giggle>. LBJ is now turning over, let alone the chuckles that Rove is getting out of this.

Find a clean politician -- go ahead, make my day.

Unfortunately funding is part of the space program. The money is going somewhere else. Given that Obama is a Chicago Politician, there is every reason to believe that it will be used as a bribe for more votes.

The thread seemingly got derailed when the railing turned out to be to blame Obama for making a choice between welfare fraud and NASA. As rational people might realize, that is truly a straw man -- and a thread derailing approach.

so much for discussing the space program...Oh and congratulations on derailing the thread.

Unfortunately funding is part of the space program. The money is going somewhere else. Given that Obama is a Chicago Politician, there is every reason to believe that it will be used as a bribe for more votes.

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The thread seemingly got derailed when the railing turned out to be to blame Obama for making a choice between welfare fraud and NASA. As rational people might realize, that is truly a straw man -- and a thread derailing approach.

so much for discussing the space program...Oh and congratulations on derailing the thread.

I understand regarding my choice of words to modify moral compass, I figured I might be playing to a TeaPublican audience.

Back to the topic at hand, with a government budget under intense pressure to get smaller and be (as some TeaPublicans have championed) *inconsequential*, it should come as no surprise that programs such as NASA are under the gun. When you have a blocking majority in the House and a blocking minority (under Senate Rules) in the Senate against ANY increases in any taxes, AND that same group insists on monumental efforts to balance the budget, and yet also insists that defense spending must increase, programs like NASA go to the head of the chopping block.

If you want to see NASA funded, I guess it must be re-militarized. And make sure the same corporations which profit from the military funding profit from a militarized NASA program as that way advocates for military funding get the right effluence from lobbyists.

One alternative is to take the *corporations are people* and *corporations are soul of America* vantage point and privatize NASA.

Either of those should be fine, since corporations profiting from the military budget, and simply private corporations NEVER engage in fraud, waste and abuse -- the only folks who do that are the welfare moms, people on disability, the poor and the elderly -- they are the only ones getting rich off of the government these days.

They seemingly never get sick, and are all in the 1%, and further, lack a Christian moral compass.

Some of us consider the part in bold a good thing.

You see, it was your original assertion here -- so you get the do the extra work.

Sorry you didn't like the result. If you can, prove the average welfare fraudster is different.

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so much for discussing the space program...Oh and congratulations on derailing the thread.

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Diogenes Of Sinope

You see, it was your original assertion here -- so you get the do the extra work.

It is a ploy of the Bechtoads, and Rushbies to use a presumption of guilt in their various wails. But that's not how our system of justice operates. I suspect most Bechtoholics don't know this, but that you do.

But you are correct, when concepts of safety nets for the poor and the ill, or addressing the increasingly disproportionate share of wealth in this country are discussed, it is inevitable that TeaPublican partisans will turn a cold shoulder. They seemingly never get sick, and are all in the 1%, and further, lack a Christian moral compass. They believe, with Cain (what an apt name) that the wealthy have gotten wealthier, and the poor more numerous as a function of God's will and the generalized laziness of the masses. Unlike you, I don't accept that presumption of guilt.

Now that is going to be hard to prove, since you are asking me to find the fraud. So you find the fraud first, and I'll show you the votes for Obama.

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Prove to me that welfare fraud gets him votes. Note, I said welfare fraud.

Now that is going to be hard to prove, since you are asking me to find the fraud. So you find the fraud first, and I'll show you the votes for Obama. Government found fraud, well, the fraudsters loose their right to vote ... so I can only show you the votes for fraud cases the government hasn't found yet. Find some.

Or do you want to go with the assumption that the people who do fraud are a cross section of Americans. Since a cross section of Americans is more Democratic party ... there are your votes.

Or would you rather assume that fraudsters are a cross section of convicted felons. I'm sure you can find statistics on what political party most convicted felons belonged to.

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Then again, looking at what NASA spends on some projects, you'd think that someone would advocate that particular type of welfare fraud.

Of course he wants to scrap NASA. Spending on space doesn't get him as many votes as spending on welfare fraud does.

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I see you too are a gleeful consumer of the Bectaid and Rushful.

Prove to me that welfare fraud gets him votes. Note, I said welfare fraud. I realize that opposing efforts to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security and let the sick and poor simply die off might seem a fraudulent concern to some. But for that breed of folks, the preface of the constitution doesn't count.

Of course he wants to scrap NASA. Spending on space doesn't get him as many votes as spending on welfare fraud does.

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google this "NASA 2012 budget" You'll find that there is plenty of news. All from February of this year. Wanna guess why? Because the Gov't budget is set in advance of the fiscal year. The fiscal Year for the Federal gov't starts October 1st. So if the budget is going to be eliminated it would have had to have been done sometime in the past.

http://nasawatch.com/archives/2011/08/large-budget-cu.html

"The Obama administration is directing federal agencies to submit fiscal 2013 budget requests that are at least 10 percent below their current appropriation level."

So most likely there won't be any change in NASA. As I said before we are predicting the end of NASA from one article that cannot be substantiated anywhere else other than that one article.


Soooo the administration sees that private companies are further along with the technology for the next gen of space platforms and suddenly we have the Capitalists screaming in the night that NASA is dying. I'm afraid it isn't going anywhere. The big change is that they appear to be relying in private corporations to create advanced launch vehicles for their probes. Also from what I've read they've not cut the NASA budget. They've frozen it. That seems generous since they will no longer be spending a bucket load of cash on refurbishing the aging shuttles.

I do wonder why we didn't have plans to make new shuttles with updated designs and modern technology on board. retire one every 4 years and put a new one out to take its place. [url][/url]

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Diogenes Of Sinope

Probes are easier and require much less space than sending people to planets. I'd rather see near time use of NASA's budget spent on probes to planets/asteroids than trying to get someone there.

The whole point of this report is that Obama wants to scrap all space exploration, manned or robotic. I guess he thinks we have learned everything there is to learn about space.

Of course he wants to scrap NASA. Spending on space doesn't get him as many votes as spending on welfare fraud does.

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Probes are easier and require much less space than sending people to planets. I'd rather see near time use of NASA's budget spent on probes to planets/asteroids than trying to get someone there.

The whole point of this report is that Obama wants to scrap all space exploration, manned or robotic. I guess he thinks we have learned everything there is to learn about space.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Why thank you, I'll wait until Michael Moore gives 99& of his 1% <g>

Then again, I AM in the 1% -- look at my stats <smile>

You are wasting your talents. Oblahblahblah needs a new SpeechWriter. That Big Guvment Paycheck will make it possible to Give To The Po 99% so much mo.

1%Dull

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I get strong defense -- I don't think that's where a lot of the defense money goes -- it goes to -- you got it -- the 1%.

WW I -- there is a body of thought that believes the US got into that war because they were owed so much money by the Brits and the French for munitions, war materials and foodstuffs sold to them in 1915 and 1916 that they needed to make sure the Allies won. Oh, and the folks who really got rich off of the munition sales -- yup. you got it -- the 1%

But if you suck up all that money into the 21st century defense budget -- SOME of it gets pulled from peaceful exploration. It's a choice -- and one made by those non-socialist types quite willfully. The only way the TeaPublicans will fund NASA is if they are told, nod, nod, wink, wink, it is to beat (militarily) the Chinese.

tools of death and destruction, how can you rationally expect a willingness to fund exploration.

What do you expect? There are still people alive who lived through WWI and WWII and its after effects. Since DEM/Libs are constantly saying what Psychos GOP/Ters are, then maybe, just maybe there are Psychos still out there who can be The Next...World Destroyer. And only a Strong Defense can Stop Them.

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Ah - so your misrepresentations are a demonstration of your native smarts. Fair enough.

Beck and Rush. The only time I hear anything they say is when The News plays a clip of Their Antics.

I could be wrong, but I believe the Rash predated MSNBC and outperforms on the derision meter big time. He just uses shorter words to do it.

When The MSNBC Wonks quit using Terms of Derision for The Repugs/TeaPots, then I might decide not to use them for The DEM/Libs and Potus.

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And not being particularly cost effective about it -- take a look at the long delayed and way over cost new space telescope project.

Look, I was virtually weaned on Heinlein in the 50's. I've been a participant in the SETI project since long before BOINC (over 10 1/2 years). I would love to see space exploration -- I'd love to see it cost effective and not run on for years and years to do limited things. Then again, I'd also love to see health care as available for the poor. So I figure, give the 1% something to fund and build.

I( tried to find other articles about massive cuts to the current NASA budget. Sadly, there only seems to be articles from at least 8 months ago and the current on on display. The articles I've read all point to the agency being given no additional dollars but still maintaining a fairly large budget.

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