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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30922 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gripe: People who say no one cares when things go south. Kudos: getting anything to work on the shoestring budget. |
Bernie Vine Send message Joined: 26 May 99 Posts: 9956 Credit: 103,452,613 RAC: 328 |
Gripe: People who say no one cares when things go south. +1 |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Gripe: that the connection is oversaturated again. Kudos: to whoever did the A/C work for getting it done faster than we expected. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
GALAXY-VOYAGER Send message Joined: 21 Oct 12 Posts: 85 Credit: 157,743 RAC: 0 |
Gripe Related: Gripes should be Relayed as Personal Messages ... NOT Broadcast in Public to Dishearten Others ..... Moral oo Comment is ... "If You Can't Stand The Heat, Stay Out Of The Kitchen". Kudo: The Above Quote is not meant to Personally Attack Anyone. GALAXY-VOYAGER |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
Gripe Related: Gripes should be Relayed as Personal Messages ... NOT Broadcast in Public to Dishearten Others ..... Moral oo Comment is ... "If You Can't Stand The Heat, Stay Out Of The Kitchen". If it's a personal gripe, you're right, but most or all of what is posted here is general gripes that aren't personal or even nasty. And we always give the gripe first so the kudo will negate any disheartening effect. Kudos to whoever thought of that! David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
ravens Send message Joined: 10 Aug 03 Posts: 8 Credit: 128,817 RAC: 0 |
Gripe: Downloads at times can be excrutiating slow, only a few kbps for an 8M file. Kudos: System eventually admits that has failed, and often does better next time. |
Omega Man Send message Joined: 28 Dec 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 4,265,371 RAC: 3 |
I just have a gripe. I love doing SETI, but unless i start getting some SUCCESSFUL downloads, I may have to remove it. |
Claggy Send message Joined: 5 Jul 99 Posts: 4654 Credit: 47,537,079 RAC: 4 |
I just have a gripe. I love doing SETI, but unless i start getting some SUCCESSFUL downloads, I may have to remove it. All your errored tasks are because you haven't got the seti_603.jpg or ap_601.jpg files successfully, are you on a mobile connection where picture files are compressed? <core_client_version>7.0.28</core_client_version> If you want to try different Browsers, download manager, etc to try and get the files the urls are: http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/seti_603.jpg 9,068 bytes http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/ap_601.jpg 7,653 bytes Once you're got the files drop them in your setiathome project folder, for Windows 7 (and probably Win 8) the default location is: C:\ProgramData\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu Claggy |
space plowboy Send message Joined: 25 May 99 Posts: 2 Credit: 875,064 RAC: 4 |
Between "Not sending work - last request too recent: 45 sec" and "Not reporting or requesting tasks" a programmer could feel pretty smug looking down on whoever programs these poor decisions. A basic tenet in the art of programming is to discern the needs of the user instead of concocting them. When I as a user, (as oppsed to the usual I as a programmer) have the bandwidth/compute time resources to issue a request for tasks, it is annoying as someone desiring to further the general progress of the SETI program to encounter these little joy-rides of the programmer on the user. I am the decider; I know what is available, not an armchair programmer (no offense, I work). There should obviously be a button for Do It Now, if the algorithm is this flawed. |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13835 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
Between "Not sending work - last request too recent: 45 sec" and "Not reporting or requesting tasks" a programmer could feel pretty smug looking down on whoever programs these poor decisions. As a programmer you should actually be able to appeciate why such things need to happen. Not having a backoff period bewteen requsts would allow people to write a script to hammer the servers continuously, denying others a chance to contact them. The fact that there is a minimum period between connections means there is no point in someone attempting it. And "Not reporting or requsting taks" is an informative mesage- it indicates just what it says- it's neither reporting or requsting new work, indicating that hitting the retry button that time wasn't really worth the effort. A basic tenet in the art of programming is to discern the needs of the user instead of concocting them. A basic tenet in the art of programming is to know the limits of your hardware, and then to do what you can within those limits. Ignoring those limits doesn't make them go away. Grant Darwin NT |
Ex: "Socialist" Send message Joined: 12 Mar 12 Posts: 3433 Credit: 2,616,158 RAC: 2 |
Between "Not sending work - last request too recent: 45 sec" and "Not reporting or requesting tasks" a programmer could feel pretty smug looking down on whoever programs these poor decisions. A basic tenet in the art of programming is to discern the needs of the user instead of concocting them. Huge Gripe: This post. The purpose of Boinc and this project is for YOU to help them, not the other way around. Kudos, to D.A., Eric K, Matt, and everyone else for the hard work these people do! #resist |
Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30922 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 |
Gripe: People who bitch post as Mr. Know it All. Kudos: People who realize they have to serve requests in a first come first served order and keep the volume of requests down so all the traffic bandwidth isn't tied up with questions "is my download ready yet." |
SonicAgamemnon Send message Joined: 8 Apr 06 Posts: 33 Credit: 30,435,904 RAC: 7 |
And "Not reporting or requsting taks" is an informative mesage- it indicates just what it says- it's neither reporting or requsting new work, indicating that hitting the retry button that time wasn't really worth the effort. Part of the "annoyance" factor involved here is the utter uselessness of enabling a retry button that really isn't going to retry anything at all. Perhaps the level of frustration would drop if such buttons were disabled when the feature behind it is not available? It seems like a logical pattern to follow, but I guess the amount of programming involved is too great... "History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there." - Santayana |
Tom* Send message Joined: 12 Aug 11 Posts: 127 Credit: 20,769,223 RAC: 9 |
Kudos to Matt for decreasing the load on Synergy. Transitioner now is Vader and when Transitioner was Synergy either shorties and or AP's would delay the schedular so much I would timeout using my Proxy. Now I can keep the Proxy on for both Schedular and Download. It works even after a Tuesday outage with large numbers of GPU shorties and Ap's I can reliably contact the schedular using my Proxy Thank you Matt All we need now is our own Proxy at the bottom of the hill. |
David S Send message Joined: 4 Oct 99 Posts: 18352 Credit: 27,761,924 RAC: 12 |
And "Not reporting or requsting taks" is an informative mesage- it indicates just what it says- it's neither reporting or requsting new work, indicating that hitting the retry button that time wasn't really worth the effort. You need to differentiate between the Retry Now button on the Transfers tab and the Update button on the Projects tab. The Retry Now button is unavailable if there are no uploads or downloads to retry. The Update button is always available because there are reasons for contacting the scheduler other than getting new work. For example, you may have updated your preferences on your account page on the web site and you want your computer to make contact so it will know your new prefs. This will result in the "Not reporting or requesting" message. David Sitting on my butt while others boldly go, Waiting for a message from a small furry creature from Alpha Centauri. |
SonicAgamemnon Send message Joined: 8 Apr 06 Posts: 33 Credit: 30,435,904 RAC: 7 |
...The Retry Now button is unavailable if there are no uploads or downloads to retry. Thanks for the explanation; I hadn't noticed that delta in button behavior. However, I'm a bit dissappointed, mainly becuase the disable logic is already in place for one button but not the other, because the Update button is loaded with several responsibilities, making it convenient but ripe for misuse and a source for raising the annoyance factor. I would prefer to isolate the upload/download behavior with the Retry Now button only, removing that behaivor from the other catch-all Update button. But this is just one person's subjective opinion, and I give it with the best of intentions. BTW, I feel comfortable expressing this because I have just sent a donation check in the mail, so I do have some skin in the game... "History is a pack of lies about events that never happened told by people who weren't there." - Santayana |
Cornhusker Send message Joined: 20 Apr 09 Posts: 41 Credit: 45,415,265 RAC: 37 |
It looks like I'm back to not being able to download again. I've got a screenfull of downloads. Watching them I find that some downloads -- while they're actively downloading and the percentage is going up -- time out and go to the bottom of the queue. Then another partially downloaded task begins and -- sometime while downloading -- times out. This may be partially due to having my preferences set for Astropulse tasks only, which are 8 MB in size. I have now changed my preference to seti@home tasks only. I'm hoping the smaller file sizes will lead to more tasks completing on the first try. The plan that was announced a while back for you guys to quadruple the task sizes has me worried. It seems far fewer tasks (probably at least 4 times fewer tasks) will download on the first try, and the overhead of increased restarts will more than offset any advantage that increased task size has on your database. After all, if no one can get any work you don't even need a database. |
Jim Bryan Send message Joined: 11 Sep 12 Posts: 14 Credit: 2,755,063 RAC: 0 |
I know this has probably already been addressed before, but I can't find it. I have 2 computers running seti. One is an older desktop unit with 2 cpus and a laptop with 4. My older unit always has plenty of data to process while my laptop rarely has enough to get through the day. I have increased my data reservoir up to 3 days and only the desktop is increased. What do I need to do? |
betreger Send message Joined: 29 Jun 99 Posts: 11408 Credit: 29,581,041 RAC: 66 |
Amen |
Grant (SSSF) Send message Joined: 19 Aug 99 Posts: 13835 Credit: 208,696,464 RAC: 304 |
I have increased my data reservoir up to 3 days and only the desktop is increased. What do I need to do? It won't make much difference as there is a server side limit of 100WUs per CPU & 100WUs per GPU. Grant Darwin NT |
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