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Message 1183037 - Posted: 5 Jan 2012, 20:54:34 UTC - in response to Message 1183029.  

A bit of Faux newsish there Gary.

Since the Teapublicans are gaming the system their way in the Senate (not that the Democrats wouldn't do the same thing by the way) it is no surprise that Obama is playing the game with the cards he is dealt.

I suspect in the (horror of horrors) eventuality of a TeaPublican president with less than 60 TeaPublican senators, we would see exactly the same sort of game. But that would be OK, but after all, unlike the Demoncrats, TeaPublicans are real Americans.



Yes, but what Obama did hasn't been done since FDR and his court packing days.


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Message 1183053 - Posted: 5 Jan 2012, 22:21:22 UTC

Obama is playing the game


And why not Play The Game? Dullnando likes The Game.

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Message 1183060 - Posted: 5 Jan 2012, 23:32:35 UTC - in response to Message 1183053.  

So do I, though Yale never wins.




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Message 1183064 - Posted: 5 Jan 2012, 23:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 1183037.  

A dose of MSNBCism there. Perhaps you should check history first. It was done to shrub to prevent him from making recess appointments. Perhaps if you don't want it done to you, you shouldn't do it to others?

Every president (both parties) from FDR on has done recess appointments, all but FDR and Obama had the decency to not rape the constitution and wait until it was at least 3 days which requires the permission of the other body, most of them waited until it was 10 days or more. Obama seems willing to do it on a bathroom break. I don't think that is what the framers had in mind.

You do understand the 3 days don't you? Weekend plus Government Holiday ...

I'm beginning to think the power grabs of shrub are going to pale in comparison to the power grabs of Obama.

Now tell me were FDR's bathroom break appointments challenged and what did SCOTUS say about them?


A bit of Faux newsish there Gary.

Since the Teapublicans are gaming the system their way in the Senate (not that the Democrats wouldn't do the same thing by the way) it is no surprise that Obama is playing the game with the cards he is dealt.

I suspect in the (horror of horrors) eventuality of a TeaPublican president with less than 60 TeaPublican senators, we would see exactly the same sort of game. But that would be OK, but after all, unlike the Demoncrats, TeaPublicans are real Americans.



Yes, but what Obama did hasn't been done since FDR and his court packing days.




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Message 1183065 - Posted: 5 Jan 2012, 23:58:46 UTC - in response to Message 1183030.  

Also the Republican senate is calling the senate to order and business by having 1 member there and recessing after 30 seconds. The Dems did it to the Republicans during the Bush years and nobody said dittly squat about the Single member sessions being held. I'd say it's probably worthy of a federal case and let the Supreme court decide if having 1 member of the Senate present is constitutionally a quorum to do Senate business with. I bet it wouldn't pass muster.

The question of doing business is moot, they aren't passing bills which is business. Look to the Constitution where is specifies what can be done if a quorum is not present. Are they doing anything more than that? Read the Senate rules. Are they doing more than permitted?

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Message 1183068 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 0:09:45 UTC - in response to Message 1183064.  

Indeed -- I agree, it is a bit of turnabout is foul play for sure.

As to Congress vacations -- I thought this Congress was never working anyway <smile>.

In any event, should a TeaPublican get elected as dictator this year lacking 60 votes in the Senate, I am certain you would lambast him for playing this game. Oh wait, then it would be to deal with an obstructionist Senate -- and that is OK.

A dose of MSNBCism there. Perhaps you should check history first. It was done to shrub to prevent him from making recess appointments. Perhaps if you don't want it done to you, you shouldn't do it to others?



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Message 1183090 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 2:59:13 UTC

This seems real simple. The previous congress passed a law. The current house refuses to implement the law. The President calls BS on the house and a away we go. Once again the R house follows the will of the banksters and loan sharks by using a rather arcane and questionable procedure rather than changing the law that they do no care for.
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Message 1183099 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 3:49:07 UTC - in response to Message 1183068.  
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Oh wait, then it would be to deal with an obstructionist Senate -- and that is OK.

Anything that delays the functioning of government is a good thing. For it is only when government is stopped that a man's wallet may be secure.

[edit]Change government to legislature. We do want police and fire to work.
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Message 1183100 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 3:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 1183090.  

betreger: Really? When did all the "D's" in the House of Representatives change into "R's"? I'm shocked faux news isn't all over this! Learn something new every day.


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Message 1183102 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 4:05:31 UTC - in response to Message 1183100.  
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My bad, I thought Mitch and John were obstructing the previously passed law.
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Message 1183104 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 4:14:40 UTC - in response to Message 1183102.  

My bad, I thought John Boehner was a R. His web page claims he is.

Taking you to task because it is the Senate, not the House, that is refusing to allow appointments via arcane procedures perfected by Democrats when shrub was in office to prevent other slimy procedures to make appointments.

Appointments don't come before the House. The House went out on recess.

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Message 1183105 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 4:21:39 UTC - in response to Message 1183104.  

Gary, you watch Faux news?
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Message 1183109 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 4:42:29 UTC - in response to Message 1183105.  

Gary, you watch Faux news?

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Message 1183113 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 5:02:54 UTC - in response to Message 1183109.  

I feel better, thanx.
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Message 1183117 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 5:29:23 UTC - in response to Message 1183099.  

Super -- a Paulist at heart -- bring back the 80's and 90's --- the 1880's and 1890's -- no military, no immigration laws, no drug laws, no constraints on corporations, and of course, dark skinned folks (like our President) would know their place.



Anything that delays the functioning of government is a good thing. For it is only when government is stopped that a man's wallet may be secure.

[edit]Change government to legislature. We do want police and fire to work.

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Message 1183126 - Posted: 6 Jan 2012, 6:18:16 UTC

would know their place.


Like the Occupy Protesters Squatting in Foreclosed Homes and Those who became Rich through Sweat and Hard Word in Their Mansions.

Yep, there is a Place For All and All In Their Place.

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Message 1183471 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 12:27:18 UTC
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Terror Australis,

The US has had a minimum wage since 1933. It first started in Massachusetts in 1912, and then a federal minimum wage was started at $0.25/hour. It is now $7.25/hour federal and as high as $9.00/hour in some of the more progressive states. Question: When is it going to finally level out? Answer that final clarifying question and then you may be excused. Thank you for your participation.

The minimum wage never actually levels out because it is adjusted according to inflation and as a degree of inflation is required to keep the current Capitalist system working (which is why there was such a worry about *deflation* during the GFC) wages keep rising to match rising prices.

I don't know what factors the US uses to measure its inflation rate but here in Oz it includes such things as housing costs, fuel prices, food prices, manufacturing costs etc. These are effected by many things, exchange rates, interest rates, government charges (all levels), natural disasters, the price and availability of raw materials (supply and demand), speculation by hedge funds, and so on. Wages are only one component of inflation when it comes to increasing production/distribution costs.

This is why in my post I referred to the relationship between prices and wages this ratio remains relatively stable. The other factors have more influence on prices than wages do.

Now can I go?

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Message 1183514 - Posted: 7 Jan 2012, 17:15:01 UTC - in response to Message 1183474.  

Terror Australis,

The US has had a minimum wage since 1933. It first started in Massachusetts in 1912, and then a federal minimum wage was started at $0.25/hour. It is now $7.25/hour federal and as high as $9.00/hour in some of the more progressive states. Question: When is it going to finally level out? Answer that final clarifying question and then you may be excused. Thank you for your participation.

The minimum wage never actually levels out because it is adjusted according to inflation and as a degree of inflation is required to keep the current Capitalist system working (which is why there was such a worry about *deflation* during the GFC) wages keep rising to match rising prices.

I don't know what factors the US uses to measure its inflation rate but here in Oz it includes such things as housing costs, fuel prices, food prices, manufacturing costs etc. These are effected by many things, exchange rates, interest rates, government charges (all levels), natural disasters, the price and availability of raw materials (supply and demand), speculation by hedge funds, and so on. Wages are only one component of inflation when it comes to increasing production/distribution costs.

This is why in my post I referred to the relationship between prices and wages this ratio remains relatively stable. The other factors have more influence on prices than wages do.

Now can I go?

T.A.


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Adjusting the minimum wage up increases inflation. Mathmatically speaking, minimum wage will never be able to keep up with inflation. This ratio you speak of is a recursive function. When you add to it, it adds more to itself.

Here in the U.S., we no longer count the cost of food or energy when we calculate our rate of inflation. This helps our trusted politicians keep the masses at bay.

Class is now dismissed.

Notice: This floodlight is capable of illuminating large areas, even in the dark.

I happen to agree with this point. When the lowest wages are systematically raised , I lose out. How? you might ask. If I look at your earned wages as a percentage of the minimum wage you can see that every time the Gov't bumps it up We working folk lose more of our middle class lifestyle. Lets say you made $15.00/hour when they raised the minimum wage. You'll note that you didn't get a $2.00 raise automatically first off. Second you'll see that after 2006 you were losing ground as the minimum wage was progressively increased. so if you were making $15.00/hour in 2006 your income was approximately 2.85X the minimum wage. Assuming you were an average worker for the next 3 years and earned a 3% annual raise you'd be making $16.39/hr in 2009 when the last minimum wage increase occurred. Now the minimum wage is $7.25/hr Your wages are now 2.26X the minimum wage. Without doing anything except being an average worker your economic status to a major hit. You are, in fact, poorer than you were 3 years before. Of course this doesn't matter to people making well over the minimum as the Corporate bonuses still keep them in very nice neighborhoods.



Corporations and businesses could care less if the minimum wage gets raised. They'll just pass the cost onto the consumer in mild increments and tack on a few penny's to increase their profit. They never lose. That's why a burger combo meal once cost $4.00 now costs $6.00 or more. When they have to pay more we pay more. That bei


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