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![]() Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21567 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 ![]() ![]() |
Looks like the Windows people are rather too sensitive to comparisons... Hence a more open thread is offered here ;-) From a certain other thread (that cannot be mentioned...) Looks like Microsoft is already building up its campaign for the latest Windows revamp (or just a tweak up?): The Windows mobile devices look and feel looks clunky! No doubt some bling will be added to that to compare more favourably up against the various Android interfaces and the Ubuntu Unity GUI. All good fun! Cheers, Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Wembley Send message Joined: 16 Sep 09 Posts: 429 Credit: 1,844,293 RAC: 0 ![]() |
Linux people view Windows fanboys with the same disdain as Windows people view Apple fanboys. It's the fanboy part that irritates people. ![]() |
Mithotar ![]() Send message Joined: 11 Apr 01 Posts: 88 Credit: 66,037,385 RAC: 50 ![]() ![]() |
Desktop Operating System Market Share Windows - 92.90 Mac - 6.03 Linux - 1.07 http://marketshare.hitslink.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=8&qpcustomd=0# Like it or no.....its a Windows World out there an will be for a long long time to come....and it has nothing to do with any percieved or superior features of Linux. Unitl Linux/Unix can be installed and used by non technical and non-pc literate people it will remain a niche/hobbyist OS. |
![]() Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 ![]() |
Scientists use mostly Linux and most supercomputers in the top500 list use Linux. So it is not a hobbyist OS. I am running SuSE Linux on my host and Scientific Linux on my BOINC_VM Virtual Machine in the Test4Theory@home BOINC project in the LHC@home 2.0 environment. I have used Windows98SE to fly my airplanes in Microsoft Flight Simulator. Tullio |
![]() Send message Joined: 24 Feb 01 Posts: 1615 Credit: 49,315,423 RAC: 0 ![]() |
I'd hate to break it to you but Microsoft is doing a pretty good job of trashing Windows themselves No need from us "Linux" guys to do it But to be serious about this debate I personally think that comparing Win to Linux is completely pointless since it is all in the eye of the beerholder Also that would be like comparing a Bentley to a Geo (you just can't) I use both Win and Linux and both operating systems have their ups and downs Yes i agree most servers run Linux nowadays hell even microsoft hosts their website and update server on linux machines which reminds me of this very odd Microsoft comercial where they actually used a macbook with a sticker over Apple logo I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap |
![]() Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 137 Credit: 34,342,390 RAC: 0 ![]() |
My private part(ition) is 1.5 TB NTFS ;) </Tazz> |
![]() Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21567 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 ![]() ![]() |
Quite a quote! :-) I'll happily claim ReiserFS and ext4 and moving over to btrfs :-p I support all of Windows, Mac, Android/Linux and GNU/Linux systems and enjoy Linux. Other's tastes may deviate! ;-) However, there does seem to be an excess of 'nervous' jealousy/fan-bo-ism over on the Windows side of things. Yet not so much so for the Apple Mac people... Differences in costs and Market segment? Happy crunchin', Martin What is commonly known as "Linux" for servers and the desktop is actually the GNU operating system running on the Linux kernel. More recently, there is "Android" which is the Google Bionic OS running on the Linux kernel for use in smartphone and graphics pads mobile devices. See screenshots for what Linux systems look like! See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21567 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 ![]() ![]() |
More seriously and getting back on-topic for the 'alternate' Windows 8 thread... Looking at the Windows 8 alpha mock-up for their version for mobile devices, I was rather surprised for the very plain almost retro look to their demo. I'd expect that to see some radical polish before next year! Note that for some, the "look" of a product can be the main factor to determine the life or death for that product! Happy crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21567 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 ![]() ![]() |
A couple of interesting snippets for Windows 8: Microsoft's high-risk Windows 8 .NET switch ... Consequently, the Windows team took the once-in-a-decade opportunity to redo the Windows programming model, though bearing in mind that Windows 8 has a dual personality and includes traditional desktop Windows alongside the new Metro-style environment. Microsoft evaluated several approaches, including one based on Silverlight as in Windows Phone 7, but decided that the new runtime would not depend on .NET. ... Blue Screen of Death gets makeover for Windows 8 ... With Windows 8 it looks like Microsoft has finally realised it is better just to tell people to shut down and restart – something most ordinary PC users and IT support teams have known for years. ... And a retrospective: Ten years on from Nimda: Worm author still at large The malware which began the Windows megaworm era I guess that from that one, Microsoft learnt the hard way from the negative press against them (especially so for their IIS web servers) that 'security' should be enabled by default rather than left as a geekie cost-extra add-on... Happy crunchin', Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() Send message Joined: 6 Sep 09 Posts: 30 Credit: 50,321 RAC: 0 ![]() |
I have 3 machines on my desk. 1 is a windows pc, 1 is a linux pc and 1 is a vga swith! Linux does linuxy things and windows does windowsy things. No point comparing them. I only have a windows machine as its easier to run GPU's on BOINC! However using the various aspects in windows today reminded me why i went linux in the first place! |
![]() Send message Joined: 24 Feb 01 Posts: 1615 Credit: 49,315,423 RAC: 0 ![]() |
I have 3 machines on my desk. 1 is a windows pc, 1 is a linux pc and 1 is a vga swith! Linux does linuxy things and windows does windowsy things. No point comparing them. well said I came down with a bad case of i don't give a crap |
![]() Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 7105 Credit: 147,663,825 RAC: 5 ![]() |
I tested Linux for some years, but I gave up. For example, for to install the optimized S@h apps, I needed days. Why can't the Linux people make a Linux which usage is like a Windows OS? Windows, click with the mouse here and there - and fine. Linux is for free, but very difficult to use (at least for non nerds like me ;-). - Best regards! - Sutaru Tsureku, team seti.international founder. - Optimize your PC for higher RAC. - SETI@home needs your help. - ![]() |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 23 Feb 00 Posts: 4705 Credit: 64,560,357 RAC: 31 ![]() ![]() |
I don't use Linux for BOINC anymore...The setup was always a PITA. ![]() I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.) |
![]() Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 ![]() |
I always use the BOINC shell script to install a new version of BOINC on my SuSE Linux and it never fails. I also use the VirtualBox .run shell script and it never fails. Keep its simple, keep it it small, was a UNIX motto. Tullio |
![]() Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 137 Credit: 34,342,390 RAC: 0 ![]() |
How many people have tried the Windows 8 developer preview yet? </Tazz> |
![]() Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21567 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 ![]() ![]() |
Now this does get nasty! Windows 8 secure boot would 'exclude' Linux Microsoft wants to keep the keys inside ... proposed changes in firmware specifications may make it impossible to run “unauthorised†operating systems such as Linux and FreeBSD on PCs. Proposed changes to the Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) firmware specifications would mean PCs would only boot from a digitally signed image derived from a keychain rooted in keys built into the PC. Microsoft is pushing to make this mandatory in a move that could not be overridden by users and would effectively exclude alternative operating systems... What has Microsoft got to fear?... Is this a rerun of Microsoft's "Palladium" and supposed "Trusted Computing" euphemism?... If only the Windows users knew the full story... IT is what we make it! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() ![]() Send message Joined: 16 May 99 Posts: 10436 Credit: 110,373,059 RAC: 54 ![]() ![]() |
Well Linux could allways make thier own PC's. ![]() Old James |
![]() Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21567 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 ![]() ![]() |
Now this does get nasty! I guess a leopard never changes its spots, even from many years ago... One of the many comments to that article: ACPI again? One key to enslave them all? If only the Windows users knew the full story... IT is what we make it! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 21567 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 ![]() ![]() |
Well Linux could allways make thier own PC's. At present, there's a wide ranging industry building PCs. "Microsoft" is just one vendor of many that offer software for PCs. So... You are happy for Microsoft to remove all other vendors from providing any software for PCs? Remember the many (unchanging) years of Microsoft IE6?... All at what cost? IT is what we make it! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
![]() Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 ![]() |
Then we penguins should pay Microsoft, install VirtualBox and run Linux as a guest OS. Not my ideal solution. Tullio |
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