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SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
Just out of curiosity, what kind of Recent Average Credit should I expect? I built this machine a couple months ago, and I have a bit of tweaking to do. I have a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition currently turned down from what I had it at (Overclocked at 4.0GHz then turned it down to 3.8GHz stable), but when I ran BOINC, all the WU's kept crashing after 5 seconds or so, so I turned it down to currently 3.664GHz. I still have some upgrades to do on the computer, like better memory, and another video card, to run Cross-Fire X setup. I currently also am running an AMD ATI Radeon HD 6770 (though I want to upgrade it to a 6900 series X2) also OC'd (though for some reason BOINC thinks it's a HD 5700 series), all on a Military Class MSI 890FXA-GD65 MB. I will post the specs below from CPUID CPU-Z (shortened version). Also, any idea's on why the WU's crash if the processor is OC'd past 3.664GHz (yet everything else works fine), and how to tweak the OC higher, and still be stable for BOINC? CPU-Z TXT Report ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Binaries ------------------------------------------------------------------------- CPU-Z version 1.58 Processors ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of processors 1 Number of threads 6 APICs ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Processor 0 -- Core 0 -- Thread 0 0 -- Core 1 -- Thread 0 1 -- Core 2 -- Thread 0 2 -- Core 3 -- Thread 0 3 -- Core 4 -- Thread 0 4 -- Core 5 -- Thread 0 5 Processors Information ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Processor 1 ID = 0 Number of cores 6 (max 6) Number of threads 6 (max 6) Name AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Codename Thuban Specification AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1090T Processor Package Socket AM3 (938) CPUID F.A.0 Extended CPUID 10.A Core Stepping PH-E0 Technology 45 nm TDP Limit 130 Watts Core Speed 3664.2 MHz Multiplier x FSB 16.0 x 229.0 MHz HT Link speed 2290.1 MHz Stock frequency 3200 MHz Instructions sets MMX (+), 3DNow! (+), SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSE4A, x86-64, AMD-V L1 Data cache 6 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size L1 Instruction cache 6 x 64 KBytes, 2-way set associative, 64-byte line size L2 cache 6 x 512 KBytes, 16-way set associative, 64-byte line size L3 cache 6 MBytes, 48-way set associative, 64-byte line size FID/VID Control yes Min FID 4.0x P-State FID 0x14 - VID 0x06 - IDD 16 (18.00x - 1.475 V) P-State FID 0x10 - VID 0x14 - IDD 16 (16.00x - 1.300 V) P-State FID 0x8 - VID 0x16 - IDD 12 (12.00x - 1.275 V) P-State FID 0x0 - VID 0x18 - IDD 8 (8.00x - 1.250 V) P-State FID 0x100 - VID 0x1A - IDD 5 (4.00x - 1.225 V) Package Type 0x1 Model 09 String 1 0x0 String 2 0x1 Page 0x0 CmpCap 6 ApicIdCoreSize 8 TDC Limit 96 Amps Max non-turbo ratio 16.00x Max turbo ratio 18.00x Chipset ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Northbridge AMD 890FX rev. 02 Southbridge AMD SB850 rev. 40 Graphic Interface PCI-Express PCI-E Link Width x16 PCI-E Max Link Width x16 Memory Type DDR3 Memory Size 12288 MBytes Channels Dual, (Unganged) Memory Frequency 610.7 MHz (3:8) CAS# latency (CL) 9.0 RAS# to CAS# delay (tRCD) 9 RAS# Precharge (tRP) 9 Cycle Time (tRAS) 24 Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 33 Command Rate (CR) 2T Uncore Frequency 2290.1 MHz Graphics ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of adapters 1 Graphic APIs ------------------------------------------------------------------------- API ATI I/O API ADL SDK Display Adapters (Overclocked) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Primary Adapter Graphics Card Manufacturer Powered by AMD Graphics Chipset AMD Radeon HD 6700 Series (6770) Device ID 68BA Vendor 1002 Subsystem ID 3150 Subsystem Vendor ID 1682 Graphics Bus Capability PCI Express 2.0 Maximum Bus Setting PCI Express 2.0 x16 BIOS Version 012.020.000.044 BIOS Part Number 113-HD677XZNF70-113-C01201-021 BIOS Date 2011/02/21 Memory Size 1024 MB Memory Type GDDR5 Core Clock in MHz 960 MHz Memory Clock in MHz 1445 MHz Total Memory Bandwidth in GByte/s 76.8 GByte/s Resolution 1920 x 1080 x 60 hertz (From BOINC) 9/5/2011 9:42:27 PM | | ATI GPU 0: ATI Radeon HD 5700 series (Juniper) (CAL version 1.4.1523, 1024MB, 1376 GFLOPS peak) 9/7/2011 6:57:57 PM | | Running CPU benchmarks 9/7/2011 6:57:58 PM | | Suspending computation - CPU benchmarks in progress 9/7/2011 6:58:29 PM | | Benchmark results: 9/7/2011 6:58:29 PM | | Number of CPUs: 6 9/7/2011 6:58:29 PM | | 3010 floating point MIPS (Whetstone) per CPU 9/7/2011 6:58:29 PM | | 9127 integer MIPS (Dhrystone) per CPU http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
Best guesses/approximates are fine, and if anyone with related gaming type machines, would post their average RAC for SETI@home and/or SETI@Home Beta, that would be appreciated. http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
SupeRNovA Send message Joined: 25 Oct 04 Posts: 131 Credit: 12,741,814 RAC: 0 |
which test you do on 4.0 or 3.8 and says is stable ? |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34405 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
I have the same CPU running at 3.6 GHZ with a HD 5850. Running MB only on both CPU and GPU with optimized apps you can get ~17000 RAC. With AP on GPU you can reach 23000 RAC. You can try higher Vcore, i got my CPU stable at 4 GHZ with 1.425 vcore. But i dont like such high voltages. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
SupeRNovA Send message Joined: 25 Oct 04 Posts: 131 Credit: 12,741,814 RAC: 0 |
ughh i'm not familiar with AMD overclocking but isn't 1.452 for 45nm a bit too high ? |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34405 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
ughh i'm not familiar with AMD overclocking but isn't 1.452 for 45nm a bit too high ? 1.425 to be honest. It worked stable for 2 weeks but a little bit to much heat to cope with. So i decided to go back to 1.375. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Highlander Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 167 Credit: 37,987,668 RAC: 16 |
and i only wondering if u have really a Black Edition CPU? (to threadstarter) - Performance is not a simple linear function of the number of CPUs you throw at the problem. - |
SupeRNovA Send message Joined: 25 Oct 04 Posts: 131 Credit: 12,741,814 RAC: 0 |
ughh i'm not familiar with AMD overclocking but isn't 1.452 for 45nm a bit too high ? yes my mistake 1.425 but over 1.4 for 45nm is a suicide for 24/7 and 24/7 crunching all the time my q6600 it is B3 stepping :( it need 1.55 to 3.6G but it is 65nm. i'm waiting my chiller to go to 1.6v and see how much it can :D it is working OC as i bought the cpu over 3 years maybe more they were just released. |
SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
which test you do on 4.0 or 3.8 and says is stable ? I have run my computer at both 4.0GHz (1.465v, not stable) and at 3.8GHz (1.375V, Stable, to run everything but BOINC) http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
Yes, it is really an AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition (Thuban Core) Processor. I've still got the box, the receipt, and everything else to prove it. Look it up on the internet (my processor). I'm pretty sure you will find that all AMD Phenom II X6 1090T's are Black Edition. http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34405 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
ughh i'm not familiar with AMD overclocking but isn't 1.452 for 45nm a bit too high ? Not on AMDs. Some of my team mates are running the 1090T over 4.1 GHZ with 1.5V rock solid for month 24/7. But water cooled. And yes, 1090T are all Black Edition. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
Highlander Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 167 Credit: 37,987,668 RAC: 16 |
yes, i know very well, that these are BEs, but then the question arise, why this setting: Multiplier x FSB 16.0 x 229.0 MHz if i think further, that you have made the 4.0 GHz setup only with changing of the FSB (-> 250 MHz), then i'm only wondering, that this host still boot. - Performance is not a simple linear function of the number of CPUs you throw at the problem. - |
SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
yes, i know very well, that these are BEs, but then the question arise, why this setting: Multiplier x FSB 16.0 x 229.0 MHz I'm not at home at the moment to get the exact specifications of the OC when I was at 4GHz,but there was more to it than just changing the MHz on the FSB. I changed the Multiplier to 18x, upped the VCore voltage to 1.465, upped the voltage on everything else too, some a little more than others, changed the NB and Hyperthreading MHz and multiplier (since the HT has to be less or equal to the NB frequency)to something like 2,800MHz (I could be off here a little, like I said I'm at work now. Will post the specs later when I am home.) and some other little odds and ends on tweaks. You can't just up the MHz frequency on the FSB and expect it to work and be stable too. http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
I have the same CPU running at 3.6 GHZ with a HD 5850. Very Nice! What is the core and mem clock on your 5850? Seeing mine is a 6770 (See my earlier post for Core and Memory clocks), I would think I may get a bit more out of mine than that from a 5850. Thanks for your input! Also, I am running currently Seti@home with optimized app from Lunatics, and I used the Windows Installer v0.38 64 bit. I haven't had time yet to dig through their site to find maybe a more appropriate/faster crunching app and AP, to then directly modify the app file, but I am also running Seti@home Beta. For some reason the modified app does not work for Beta. Maybe I need to just go in and do some tweaking because when I had ran the installer for Beta, it kept saying the file names were wrong/invalid, and it wouldn't run, so I put it back to stock settings. If anyone has any suggestions to a modified app for SETI@Home Beta that would be great, and also a fast (or faster than the newest Lunatics mod) optimized app for CPU and/or GPU, that would be great. http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
Highlander Send message Joined: 5 Oct 99 Posts: 167 Credit: 37,987,668 RAC: 16 |
I'm not at home at the moment to get the exact specifications of the OC when I was at 4GHz,but there was more to it than just changing the MHz on the FSB. I changed the Multiplier to 18x, upped the VCore voltage to 1.465, upped the voltage on everything else too, some a little more than others, changed the NB and Hyperthreading MHz and multiplier (since the HT has to be less or equal to the NB frequency)to something like 2,800MHz (I could be off here a little, like I said I'm at work now. Will post the specs later when I am home.) and some other little odds and ends on tweaks. You can't just up the MHz frequency on the FSB and expect it to work and be stable too. Well, then it is ok, if you do it that way, but it's better to keep the FSB frequency on lower numbers. And sorry, the stock multiplier with the much higher FSB had brought me on a wrong thinking path. Personally would not go over 220 MHz, but i must also say, that i'm not that OCer at all, mild ok, but not extreme, i love long living hardware :-). -> my phenom 955 for example, is only tweaked with multiplier: 18x -> 3600 MHz, all other values are stock/auto/whatever on a cheap asrock M3A790GXH/USB3 and cheap AC Freezer Xtreme rev 2 cooler. This running since 2 month with temps of 56-58 C. - Performance is not a simple linear function of the number of CPUs you throw at the problem. - |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34405 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
I have the same CPU running at 3.6 GHZ with a HD 5850. My core clock is 870 MHZ Memory clock 1200 both overclocked. Normal is 765/1125 But Juniper is a little slower only has 800 shaders while 5850 has 1440. Please look over at beta there is already beta test running with optimized apps. I can help you over there as well. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
Yeah, I didn't even check the specs yet on the shaders and what not. That's why I want to upgrade to the 6970 series (x2) (or better). Up to 880MHz Engine Clock 2GB GDDR5 Memory 1375MHz Memory Clock (5.5 Gbps GDDR5) 176 GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum) 2.7 TFLOPs Single Precision compute power 683 GFLOPs Double Precision compute power TeraScale 3 Unified Processing Architecture 1536 Stream Processors 96 Texture Units 128 Z/Stencil ROP Units 32 Color ROP Units Dual geometry and dual rendering engines High Speed 256-bit GDDR5 memory interface (One of these days when I can afford to, I would like to get the AMD Radeon HD 6990) Below are the specs for that one. Specifications Default (BIOS1) Up to 830MHz Engine Clock 5.10 TFLOPs Single Precision compute power 1.27 TFLOPs Double Precision Compute Power Overclocked (BIOS2) Up to 880MHz Engine Clock 5.40 TFLOPs Single Precision compute power 1.37 TFLOPs Double Precision Compute Power 4GB GDDR5 Memory 1250MHz Memory Clock (5.0 Gbps GDDR5) 320 GB/s memory bandwidth (maximum) TeraScale 3 Unified Processing Architecture 3072 Stream Processors 192 Texture Units 128 Z/Stencil ROP Units 64 Color ROP Units Dual geometry and dual rendering engines High Speed 256-bit GDDR5 memory interface. http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
SupeRNovA Send message Joined: 25 Oct 04 Posts: 131 Credit: 12,741,814 RAC: 0 |
is there any 6990 radeon running seti ? |
Spectrum Send message Joined: 14 Jun 99 Posts: 468 Credit: 53,129,336 RAC: 0 |
Hello Mike. How do you set up to run Astropulse on the GPU, I have heard of this and would like to try it, any help would be greatly appreciated. |
SilentObserver64 Send message Joined: 21 Sep 05 Posts: 139 Credit: 680,037 RAC: 0 |
Hello Mike. I'm not Mike but you can try this. Lunatics: Optimized For SETI This is a self-installer. Pick the Windows Installer for your Operating System (32bit or 64bit). Ignore the astropulse part beneath the installers. The Windows Installer includes this configuration. Install and then follow the instructions. Read carefully. Afterwards, go into your settings under your profile/account/preferences for SETI@Home, and check the boxes for the following: SETI@home Enhanced Astropulse v5 Astropulse v5.05. Then let your computer crunch away, when it downloads the new WU's. Enjoy! (If you run Linux, let me know, I can get you the link(s) for that OS.) http://www.goodsearch.com/nonprofit/university-of-california-setihome.aspx |
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