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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Finally, a Home Secretary with balls. Now we just have to wait & see whether or not it's just soundbites at play..... An End to the Human Rights Act? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Finally, a Home Secretary with balls. Now we just have to wait & see whether or not it's just soundbites at play..... Nice: She told delegates: "We all know the stories about the Human Rights Act: The violent drug dealer who cannot be sent home because his daughter, for whom he pays no maintenance, lives here; the robber who cannot be removed because he has a girlfriend; the illegal immigrant who cannot be deported because, and I am not making this up, he had a pet cat." Unfortunately for Theresa May, the last example should have read "the illegal immigrant who cannot be deported because, and I am making this up, he had a pet cat". Damn those BHL's over at The Guardian for doing some quick fact checking. Whoopsie I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
Damn those BHL's over at The Guardian for doing some quick fact checking. Yup, but the plaintive did site this cat to support his claim against deportation. How long before someone sites that their tomatoes haven't ripened yet and his plants may become harmed if he's deported. Or I can't be deported, sites the fact that there is no one around to look after the gold fish in his gold fish bowl. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Damn those BHL's over at The Guardian for doing some quick fact checking. True, those BHL's at the Guardian noted that "The cat was mentioned in the appeal and judge's decision, as evidence of the man's relationship - not as a reason in itself", the BBC article linked by Chris states: The case at the centre of the row occurred in 2008 and involved a Bolivian student who said he could show he had a proper permanent relationship with his partner and should not be deported. Which would appear to suggest the cat had little to do with it. I suspect worrying about citations of other pets or plants as providing sufficient grounds for dismissing a deportation notice is somewhat premature. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
Which would appear to suggest the cat had little to do with it. I suspect worrying about citations of other pets or plants as providing sufficient grounds for dismissing a deportation notice is somewhat premature. Whilst a plaintive use's this in their defense we will all make jokes of it. We are not stupid Bob, but does makes one wounder just how stupid our law is if one feels they can quote having animals as part proof of being in a stable relationship. No doubt too that the plaintive's defense council also thought it worth while throwing this cat into the ring. |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
Which would appear to suggest the cat had little to do with it. I suspect worrying about citations of other pets or plants as providing sufficient grounds for dismissing a deportation notice is somewhat premature. But while sources close to the home secretary, Theresa May, have stressed this reference to the cat, they have not quoted the [Judge Devittie]'s conclusion that the evidence from friends, relatives and photographs of family occasions had "amply demonstrated" the quality and strength of their relationship: "The evidence shows that the appellant is well integrated into the larger family that his partner has with his siblings and parents. He attends family functions with his partner and is regarded as a member of the family." That being said, the ruling of Judge Devittie was not the reason the person was not deported: The Home Office appealed against Devittie's decision, claiming it had placed "an inappropriate weight on the Bolivian student having to leave behind not only his partner but also his joint cat". Theresa May was wrong to say that it was because of the cat that the person was not deported, neither Judge Devittie's ruling nor Judge Gleeson's was made solely on the basis of pet ownership, which is, I would argue, the clear implication of her original statement. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
"The immigration judge's determination is upheld and the cat need no longer fear having to adapt to Bolivian mice." Thank goodness else the Animal rights brigade would have been up in arms over it. Well, you can certainly see what drove the Nazi's minds when it came to solving people issues, the ones they called the undesirables. The Nazi's were plainly mad, I just hope we don't let a Nazi brained politician to wheedle his way into power in this country, if one got in he'd have a field-day. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
I see the Political & Media Coalition has worked its charm again. Bring up a serious issue only to have an inane comment made so that the media can blow it up out of all proportion to confuse the masses..... ....while the main issue can be ignored with nothing further being done to resolve that issue. |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
I wounder if the statement, "The more we tolerate the lower our standards become" is applicable too to days way of life? |
bobby Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 2866 Credit: 17,789,109 RAC: 3 |
I wounder if the statement, "The more we tolerate the lower our standards become" is applicable too to days way of life? It's a new one on me, and it appears to imply intolerance leads to higher standards. There may well be circumstances where this is appropriate, though I'd think it is somewhat deficient as a universal maxim. I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ... |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
I wounder if the statement, "The more we tolerate the lower our standards become" is applicable too to days way of life? To be intolerate to low standards should lead us in the direction of adopting higher standards. |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
I wounder if the statement, "The more we tolerate the lower our standards become" is applicable too to days way of life? But who gets to decide the standards, and who gets to decide if they're "higher"? Is it then not OK to disagree with the standard/status quo? |
Michael John Hind Send message Joined: 6 Feb 07 Posts: 1330 Credit: 3,632,028 RAC: 0 |
I wounder if the statement, "The more we tolerate the lower our standards become" is applicable too to days way of life? How did we come by our standards in the first place. Someone had to set them that society then agreed upon. We could now be looking at one of the root causes of why great nations are born but then finally collapse and die. Possibly it's great leaders who set the basic standards and when they depart so do the standards too that they once introduced. Great food for thought !!! |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Interesting release under the 30 year rule.... Thatcher "shaken" after UK Riots Not much change in 30 years then..... |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
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John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
update For his main crime - reckless endangerment to life and unpremeditated murder - as well as riot, burglary, arson, etc, the sentence should be long on each count. All counts should be served one-after-another with no parole or remission. A 30+ year sentence should be given, and he should be ordered to compensate the insurance companies for the building contents and structure costs. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
BarryAZ Send message Joined: 1 Apr 01 Posts: 2580 Credit: 16,982,517 RAC: 0 |
John, just wondering, how is he to compensate the insurance companies while serving a life sentence? |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
update He can consider himself lucky for many years ago they used to hang convicted arsonist's. The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
He can consider himself lucky for many years ago they used to hang convicted arsonist's. Well, if they ever bring it back, i'll be the 1st volunteer for the hangman's position.... ...of course, I'd make sure that knots weren't that tight.... ...30 mins to die sounds about right..... |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
John, just wondering, how is he to compensate the insurance companies while serving a life sentence? He would have that pleasure and burden to contend with when he exits prison some 30+ years later. His action, and all that flowed from it, was premeditated. He should be punished hard and with little mercy. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
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