Could make another try if you think it will work with the hybrid app. Was close last week when I was just trying to use on board for video and NVIDIA card for crunching. I gave up when I saw the info about this new lunatics release. I know one user that made that work after considerable effort. I can try him - he's active in another forum.

VW Bobier, does that NVIDIA policy make this course of action a bad choice, or were you only speaking of cards? I'm not anxious to go to beta drivers.

Sorry, my quotes keep getting messed up so I gave up - will learn someday.

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Another Fred
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Second, I chose the SSE3 option even though BOINC thinks I only have SSE and SSE2. Will I have a problem? I ran SSE2 with .37. Here's some selected startup messages from BOINC (deleted some for brevity purposes):

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.60 for windows_intelx86
Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5050e [Family 15 Model 107 Stepping 2]
Processor: 512.00 KB cache
Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GT 240 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.2, 1024MB, 257 GFLOPS peak)
SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platformA

AMD and CPU=Z say that the 5050 e has SSE3.

SSE3 is also known as Prescott New Instructions (PNI)

Claggy

Thanks all, I will work on this. Saw the recommended driver version info for hybrid app in the readme. For the hybrid AP task, do I need the "use all gpus" option in cc_config.xml? I couldn't find any thing on that in the readme ot release notes. (I know how to do it, but do I need to do it?) If I add it, I hope it doesn't cause problems with cuda tasks or other Projects with cuda tasks like Einstein. Should I be concerned? (told you I'm a non-tech type!)

BTW, early results on my 6.08 tasks look good from this morning's upgrade to v.038. Too soon to tell on the CPU tasks. Will post comments in a few days if my results are any different than other posts.

If I get it all working I'll let you know - maybe encourage others to think about a disabled on board or integrated GPU.

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Another Fred
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Thanks all, I will work on this. Saw the recommended driver version info for hybrid app in the readme. For the hybrid AP task, do I need the "use all gpus" option in cc_config.xml? I couldn't find any thing on that in the readme ot release notes. (I know how to do it, but do I need to do it?) If I add it, I hope it doesn't cause problems with cuda tasks or other Projects with cuda tasks like Einstein. Should I be concerned? (told you I'm a non-tech type!)

If I get it all working I'll let you know - maybe encourage others to think about a disabled on board or integrated GPU.

You don't need to use the "use all gpus" option in cc_config.xml, that only effects GPU's from the same vendor, my XP3200/HD4650/8400 GS runs without it, while my E8500/GTX460/HD5770 does have it,

I don't see many problems with running Cuda and CAL apps together, sometimes third part apps have a higher priority and that can slow the other,

Claggy

I disabled 2 of the 8 HT's otherwise the system was too sluggish to work with.
Use 2 GTX 295 on that machine and the temps seem to have gone up a couple of degrees.

Finding that using 100% of processors will cause the system to be sluggish, I have always allocated 1 core for CPU-GPU processing under HT or not. On one box I have a GTX275/GTS250 on a single card and I only use 1 core for the shift from CPU to GPU, each using only .04% of the same core. This is not constant usage, but it is there when needed.

I also adjust the number of cores available for processing depending on the core temp. The max of 90% of processors is when room/outside temps are less than 80F, 85% during the 80s & 70% greater than 89F, when watching DVDs, or playing what ever small games that I might play. This way I keep my temps down and processing up. My CPU cores extend from 5-7 on the i7/950 and 3 on the Q6600 and I have not noticed any appreciable decrease in processing times.

Also adjusting the GPU fan speed is a great help when the room temps increase, keeping GPU temps to under 60c on all cards.

For the first time I've managed to break 10k RAC. I'm loving it.

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PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC

For the first time I've managed to break 10k RAC. I'm loving it.

I just hoping I can get back to 30+k, but with the new credit system, I've kind of given up hope.

For the first time I've managed to break 10k RAC. I'm loving it.

I just hoping I can get back to 30+k, but with the new credit system, I've kind of given up hope.

Can you elaborate?

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Hmm. Using the new installer with the present server hiccups probably isn't going to help things.
CUDA shorties that used to take 5-6min are now being done in 3:30. Work Units that used to take 30min are now being done in 24-25min.
There's going to be a hell of a lot of results to upload after this latest upload outage.

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Grant
Darwin NT

My current pair of 295 cards feels more like a gatling gun, as it just spits them out, of course no uploads...

You want to see mine with shorties, 4 min a WU X 9, just over 2 a min.

There are others that are even faster, its no wonder that the servers can't keep up in a shortie storm:-(

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Kevin

For the first time I've managed to break 10k RAC. I'm loving it.

I just hoping I can get back to 30+k, but with the new credit system, I've kind of given up hope.

Can you elaborate?

Sorry it took me so long to back to this, but out JOB HUNTING!!!

I had just passed the 31k mark when the new credit policy went into effect. At approx. the same time we had a major outage at the lab. Since that time it has gone steadly down. I'm not really complaining, for the science is worth whatever I get. But it was just after an upgrade to an i7/950 and the credit were climbing like a rocket.

Just got home from work.

found this machine almost totally frozen, task manager was showing 100% processor usage, one core was showing almost 100% Kernel times. could not get into Seti, GPU temps showing low, 50C - 60C.

Ended up having to restart via big switch.

All 9 GPU tasks were showing very high elapsed times, up to about 6+ Hrs, first one finnished and uploaded onto my error page, the other 8 I aborted, computer is now running in HP mode, probably something to do with completion times jumping up to 6+ Hrs, (normal for regular WU is 20 min)

I am running v0.38 with 275.33

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Kevin

From the Release Notes:

Newer (270+) drivers use more kernel RAM - you may run into memory problems,
especially on 256 MiB cards or when multithreading on Fermis or with a lot of
cards in one host.

I suggest your try only running two Wu's per GPU and see if that helps,

Claggy

From the Release Notes:

Newer (270+) drivers use more kernel RAM - you may run into memory problems,
especially on 256 MiB cards or when multithreading on Fermis or with a lot of
cards in one host.

I suggest your try only running two Wu's per GPU and see if that helps,

Claggy

Only got 4 Gig in here, MB was having problems running any more.

Have switched to 2 WU per card, will see how this runs.

Thank you

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Kevin

I know that when the NVIDIA are flagged as (CUDA). I used Lunatics Windows Installer v0.38 on one of my machines just to see what would happen. Can someone tell me how to identify workunits that are using the ATI GPU or those that are using both ATI GPU and CPU? I don't think I have any of these type currently running but I can't be sure. wondering if I need to change settings but first need to know how to identify them when I get them.

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ATI units will be listed as (ati13ati) or 14.

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Count me a happy user of the new installer, though my circumstances differ from those suggested to fit most appropriate users.

I had been running Raistmer's ATI Astropulse ap, with all my CPU for that host dedicated to Einstein. In a (I hope not BOINC related) machine freeze early today, on reboot my entire Einstein work queue was lost to CPU error. By the time I attempted cleanup with a project detach/re-attach sequence, I'd already consumed my remaining 1 task quota for the day. So while I wait for a new Einstein download day at 0000 UTC I decided that using the 0.38 installer could get me to a clean configuration running Raistmer ATI astropulse, plus CPU Multibeam.

After first greatly lowering my requested work queue (to a quarter day) I exited BOINC, ran the installer, then compared the command line parameters it chose to those I had been using. It has set my unroll to 6, while I had previously used 8, fruit, I think, of pretty careful comparisons on my particular card on in this environment. So I put that back to 6, and added -hp -no_cpu_lock. Then, to be conservative, I did a full Windows restart.

The new configuration got and started work so fast I was startled. My existing queue of Astropulse work assigned to the ATI card was not discarded, though a new one was downloaded and started up rather than continuing the old partly finished one. So I've suspended all ATI AP units save the partially completed old one to see how things go. So far it is running, consuming power, and indicating progress toward completion, so I imagine all is well.

For my card (a GIGABYTE GV-R455D3-512I Radeon HD 4550 512MB 64-bit DDR3) previous exploration of the command line parameters had not found values which allowed streaming video to play satisfactorily without gravely impairing AP computational output, so I've relied instead using the BOINC "Suspend GPU work while computer is in use?" setting to Yes.

With a five minute restart interval setting, this works well enough, though I need to nudge the mouse once every five minutes, and when I am using voice input (generally do for a full hour each morning), If I read something long the voice commands for moving within an HTML page don't count as mouse or keyboard work, so it can slow. Fortunately I issue voice mouse clicks, which do count, often enough that this is only occasionally a problem

I'm mentioning this last in this thread, as the unified installer may attract some new ATI card owners. If adjusting the suggested command line parameters does not give you satisfactory results, you may wish to try the method I use.

My thanks to the Lunatics application developers, the Lunatics installer developers, and all the testers who helped them deliver this product.

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Uh, what does the -no_cpu_lock parameter do? It has not been mentioned before, and it's not in the release "Tuning cmd line parameters" in the first post on this thread, only the -unroll, -ffa_block, and the -ffa_block_fetch parameters.

This thread says that back at Raistmer's r503 level, this parameter allowed the application to use any CPU on multi-CPU processors. My own testing showed an exceedingly small impact, and not necessarily beneficial. But I dislike tasks restricting themselves to subsets of available CPU's, so I left it turned on since then.

I have not checked to see what the processor affinity is for this release--it is possible the behaviors are now difference than they were on r503.

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I have not checked to see what the processor affinity is for this release--it is possible the behaviors are now difference than they were on r503.

I've checked now, and on my Westmere CPU Windows 7 x64 system, the behavior is as I described in the cited posting on r503--without this parameter on my eight virtual CPU host Process explorer shows the supporting CPU application having affinity to CPU 0 and CPU 1, which turns out to be the two different virtual appearances of one physical core. With the parameter enables, the affinity box is ticked for all eight virtual CPU instances--in other words no affinity at all.

Possibly it is not mentioned in the release notes as not being provably useful.

I can make no undertaking as to the behavior or performance impact on other sorts of host.

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I have not checked to see what the processor affinity is for this release--it is possible the behaviors are now difference than they were on r503.

They remained the same. CPUlock actual for multy-GPU or multy-task per GPU setups only. So other can use -no_cpu_lock param and even get some speedup.

Also, as Installer release notes didn't include all included application notes, I think it's better to reference to original release notes for each separate application that was included into installer. Standalone application release notes list all application parameters and describes meaning.

BTW, targed audience for installer (instead of standalone application) is "plug-and-forget" users who will not read much abot app tuning.