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Message 1119206 - Posted: 20 Jun 2011, 0:01:58 UTC - in response to Message 1119134.  

Answered by PM.


Could you also please PM me those apps? :) I might be able to just avoid using them in future :D

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Message 1119207 - Posted: 20 Jun 2011, 0:11:30 UTC - in response to Message 1119206.  

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Could you also please PM me those apps? :) I might be able to just avoid using them in future :D

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You're all right - you won't be using them, I promise you. I think we're on the way to getting this sorted out now.
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Message 1119213 - Posted: 20 Jun 2011, 0:49:20 UTC - in response to Message 1119207.  

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Could you also please PM me those apps? :) I might be able to just avoid using them in future :D

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You're all right - you won't be using them, I promise you. I think we're on the way to getting this sorted out now.


Sweet, thanks mate. Short of benching and tweaking my oc, I don't do much else on my pc these days anyway.

Also, thanks for looking into the problem - appreciate the effort :)
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Message 1119740 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 14:55:05 UTC

This far-from-tech type just installed .38 and everything looks okay -

Two minor questions - from all the release info, I conclude that my on board ATI HD 4200 should work - right? want to confirm - its currently disabled so I didn't install your ATI apps. It won't play well with my Nvidia card, but if it will work with your apps, I'll make another try - not asking for help on that, I'll work in another forum. Just want to know if it is worth the effort.

Second, I chose the SSE3 option even though BOINC thinks I only have SSE and SSE2. Will I have a problem? I ran SSE2 with .37. Here's some selected startup messages from BOINC (deleted some for brevity purposes):

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.60 for windows_intelx86
Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5050e [Family 15 Model 107 Stepping 2]
Processor: 512.00 KB cache
Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GT 240 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.2, 1024MB, 257 GFLOPS peak)
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AMD and CPU=Z say that the 5050 e has SSE3.









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Message 1119742 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:01:21 UTC - in response to Message 1119740.  

Cannot speak for the 4200 but you should have no problem running the sse3 AMD app.


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Message 1119745 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:05:26 UTC - in response to Message 1119740.  
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Nvidia has a firm No ATi card policy, if they detect an ATi card in the same PC as the Nvidia cards, the Nvidia driver disables physx, So the only way to use both is to use the 257.15 Nvidia beta driver, which does allow ATi cards and Nvidia cards w/physx to cohabitate in peace, Which Nvidia says the cohabitation pf ATi and Nvidia w/physx enabled is a bug and not a feature.
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Message 1119751 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:11:49 UTC
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HD 4200 is RV 620 based GPU.
OpenCL needs at least RV7xx GPU.
So this won´t work.

But your CPU should work with SSE3 app.


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Message 1119753 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:12:56 UTC - in response to Message 1119740.  

(...)
Second, I chose the SSE3 option even though BOINC thinks I only have SSE and SSE2. Will I have a problem? I ran SSE2 with .37. Here's some selected startup messages from BOINC (deleted some for brevity purposes):

(...)

AMD and CPU=Z say that the 5050 e has SSE3.



You shouldn't believe all what BOINC say.. ;-)

CPU-Z is a well tool to show which extensions your CPU have. Then install the app with the max extension of your CPU.


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Message 1119756 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:18:07 UTC - in response to Message 1119753.  

Thanks all for fast responses. Will forget about that onboard GPU and leave it disabled in BIOS.
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Message 1119757 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:21:38 UTC - in response to Message 1119756.  
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Thanks all for fast responses. Will forget about that onboard GPU and leave it disabled in BIOS.

Onboard GPU can make use of Hybrid AstroPulse.
BTW, I considered onboard GPU chipsets as main target for Hybrid AP now, cause discrete non-OpenCL GPUs obsolete now.
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Message 1119773 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:53:41 UTC - in response to Message 1119757.  

Could make another try if you think it will work with the hybrid app. Was close last week when I was just trying to use on board for video and NVIDIA card for crunching. I gave up when I saw the info about this new lunatics release. I know one user that made that work after considerable effort. I can try him - he's active in another forum.

VW Bobier, does that NVIDIA policy make this course of action a bad choice, or were you only speaking of cards? I'm not anxious to go to beta drivers.

Sorry, my quotes keep getting messed up so I gave up - will learn someday.


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Message 1119774 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 15:55:23 UTC - in response to Message 1119773.  

Could make another try if you think it will work with the hybrid app. Was close last week when I was just trying to use on board for video and NVIDIA card for crunching. I gave up when I saw the info about this new lunatics release. I know one user that made that work after considerable effort. I can try him - he's active in another forum.

VW Bobier, does that NVIDIA policy make this course of action a bad choice, or were you only speaking of cards? I'm not anxious to go to beta drivers.

Sorry, my quotes keep getting messed up so I gave up - will learn someday.


It's just for the cards and the Nvidia driver, Nvidia the company doesn't like sharing a case with ATi...
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Message 1119796 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 21:17:18 UTC - in response to Message 1119740.  

Second, I chose the SSE3 option even though BOINC thinks I only have SSE and SSE2. Will I have a problem? I ran SSE2 with .37. Here's some selected startup messages from BOINC (deleted some for brevity purposes):

Starting BOINC client version 6.10.60 for windows_intelx86
Processor: 2 AuthenticAMD AMD Athlon(tm) Dual Core Processor 5050e [Family 15 Model 107 Stepping 2]
Processor: 512.00 KB cache
Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 htt pni cx16 syscall nx lm svm rdtscp 3dnowext 3dnow
OS: Microsoft Windows XP: Home x86 Edition, Service Pack 3, (05.01.2600.00)
NVIDIA GPU 0: GeForce GT 240 (driver version 26658, CUDA version 3020, compute capability 1.2, 1024MB, 257 GFLOPS peak)
SETI@home Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platformA

AMD and CPU=Z say that the 5050 e has SSE3.

SSE3 is also known as Prescott New Instructions (PNI)

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Message 1119798 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 21:24:11 UTC - in response to Message 1119774.  

Thanks all, I will work on this. Saw the recommended driver version info for hybrid app in the readme. For the hybrid AP task, do I need the "use all gpus" option in cc_config.xml? I couldn't find any thing on that in the readme ot release notes. (I know how to do it, but do I need to do it?) If I add it, I hope it doesn't cause problems with cuda tasks or other Projects with cuda tasks like Einstein. Should I be concerned? (told you I'm a non-tech type!)

BTW, early results on my 6.08 tasks look good from this morning's upgrade to v.038. Too soon to tell on the CPU tasks. Will post comments in a few days if my results are any different than other posts.

If I get it all working I'll let you know - maybe encourage others to think about a disabled on board or integrated GPU.
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Message 1119807 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 21:49:31 UTC - in response to Message 1119798.  
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Thanks all, I will work on this. Saw the recommended driver version info for hybrid app in the readme. For the hybrid AP task, do I need the "use all gpus" option in cc_config.xml? I couldn't find any thing on that in the readme ot release notes. (I know how to do it, but do I need to do it?) If I add it, I hope it doesn't cause problems with cuda tasks or other Projects with cuda tasks like Einstein. Should I be concerned? (told you I'm a non-tech type!)

If I get it all working I'll let you know - maybe encourage others to think about a disabled on board or integrated GPU.

You don't need to use the "use all gpus" option in cc_config.xml, that only effects GPU's from the same vendor, my XP3200/HD4650/8400 GS runs without it, while my E8500/GTX460/HD5770 does have it,

I don't see many problems with running Cuda and CAL apps together, sometimes third part apps have a higher priority and that can slow the other,

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Message 1119834 - Posted: 21 Jun 2011, 22:52:50 UTC - in response to Message 1119028.  

I disabled 2 of the 8 HT's otherwise the system was too sluggish to work with.
Use 2 GTX 295 on that machine and the temps seem to have gone up a couple of degrees.


Finding that using 100% of processors will cause the system to be sluggish, I have always allocated 1 core for CPU-GPU processing under HT or not. On one box I have a GTX275/GTS250 on a single card and I only use 1 core for the shift from CPU to GPU, each using only .04% of the same core. This is not constant usage, but it is there when needed.

I also adjust the number of cores available for processing depending on the core temp. The max of 90% of processors is when room/outside temps are less than 80F, 85% during the 80s & 70% greater than 89F, when watching DVDs, or playing what ever small games that I might play. This way I keep my temps down and processing up. My CPU cores extend from 5-7 on the i7/950 and 3 on the Q6600 and I have not noticed any appreciable decrease in processing times.

Also adjusting the GPU fan speed is a great help when the room temps increase, keeping GPU temps to under 60c on all cards.
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Message 1119859 - Posted: 22 Jun 2011, 0:32:08 UTC

For the first time I've managed to break 10k RAC. I'm loving it.


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Message 1119867 - Posted: 22 Jun 2011, 1:14:08 UTC - in response to Message 1119859.  

For the first time I've managed to break 10k RAC. I'm loving it.


I just hoping I can get back to 30+k, but with the new credit system, I've kind of given up hope.
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Message 1119868 - Posted: 22 Jun 2011, 1:18:51 UTC - in response to Message 1119867.  

For the first time I've managed to break 10k RAC. I'm loving it.


I just hoping I can get back to 30+k, but with the new credit system, I've kind of given up hope.


Can you elaborate?
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Message 1119954 - Posted: 22 Jun 2011, 10:28:21 UTC - in response to Message 1119868.  


Hmm. Using the new installer with the present server hiccups probably isn't going to help things.
CUDA shorties that used to take 5-6min are now being done in 3:30. Work Units that used to take 30min are now being done in 24-25min.
There's going to be a hell of a lot of results to upload after this latest upload outage.
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