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Message 1106204 - Posted: 14 May 2011, 19:31:33 UTC - in response to Message 1106181.  

Can anyone post a link?

That story, usually accompanied by ‘enhanced’ photos in which irrelevant details have been painted out to ‘clarify’ the supposed aircraft, has been circulating on the Internet for years. You might start with the Wikipedia article on Abydos, or just feed your favourite search engine something like “ancient Egypt helicopter”.
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Message 1106316 - Posted: 15 May 2011, 1:39:18 UTC - in response to Message 1106204.  

Yes you are right. I can't tell how much the images have been enhanced assuming that they were there in the first place??
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Message 1106380 - Posted: 15 May 2011, 5:32:56 UTC - in response to Message 1106316.  

Oh, the inscription is apparently real enough, and the Wikimedia photo doesn’t appear to have been tampered with. (Not that I’m an expert!) The original text was recarved at some point (the ancient Egyptians weren’t in the least averse to ‘historical revisionism’), with new glyphs overlapping some of the old ones—which would have been filled with plaster that’s since crumbled away.
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Message 1106482 - Posted: 15 May 2011, 16:12:04 UTC - in response to Message 1106380.  

Great to know, astronomers will use the massive radio telescope in West Virginia to scan for signs of alien life on 86 possible Earth-like planets indentified by Kepler for sigs ETI. That is waht SETI is all about. Very exciting that SETI Home participants will be able to decode that data for possible ETI.
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Message 1106793 - Posted: 16 May 2011, 16:47:58 UTC
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This is the ancient Egyptian helicopter; (Wikipedia image!)
Submarines in the picture too!



Modern equivalent;



Or this one;



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Message 1106799 - Posted: 16 May 2011, 17:01:41 UTC - in response to Message 1106797.  
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Not Submarines, I would say shuttle craft. I still think they depicted what they saw, in the way of their day, albeit a bit stylised.

Agreed!!!

But the picture of the helicopter us unmistakable. Its got to be very difficult to come up with an alternative explanation for that bit of the image. It would be a long stretch of the imagination to say its some type of flying insect. We can clearly see an "insect" to the left of the helicopter, but the helicopter is very clear.

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Message 1106827 - Posted: 16 May 2011, 17:57:32 UTC - in response to Message 1106799.  

remarkable yet missing a chunk. we don't know what any of it is since its not actually hieroglyphs since they do not correspond to any currently know glyphs. Thus knowing what exactly a symbol means is very difficult. From my understanding they always described objects using hieroglyphs. This doesnt appear to fit that scheme. I'd be willing to be its a fake


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Message 1106891 - Posted: 16 May 2011, 22:37:54 UTC

I've read somewhere that the text was rewritten, and parts of the old text remained or reappeared due to erosion and overlapped with the new text. Apparently rewriting hieroglyphs was pretty common, so it seems like a logical explanation. It still is a very big coincidence that in such a small part of a text the overlaps would create more than one image resembling modern (and maybe future?) aircraft. As far as I know, the picture itself is not a fake.
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Message 1107156 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 2:35:40 UTC - in response to Message 1106891.  

I've read somewhere that the text was rewritten, and parts of the old text remained or reappeared due to erosion and overlapped with the new text. Apparently rewriting hieroglyphs was pretty common, so it seems like a logical explanation. It still is a very big coincidence that in such a small part of a text the overlaps would create more than one image resembling modern (and maybe future?) aircraft. As far as I know, the picture itself is not a fake.


That seems plausible, however I would think that there would be evidence of overlay or erosion. In the case of the image posted below, I would have to say this is not the case. Those hieroglyphs look very clear and clean-cut (though I am by no means an expert). This sorta reminds me of looking at old/ancient paintings and tapestries that also allegedly show UFOs and other "aircraft." So lets say they are overlays where previous hieroglyphs existed. How would the Egyptians even know to make such hieroglyphs without the knowledge of such aircraft or 'submarines'? In either case, the hieroglyphs are clearly sophisticated and do clearly shoe something that for its time, should ne ver have been there.
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Message 1107281 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 15:13:16 UTC - in response to Message 1107156.  

I've read somewhere that the text was rewritten, and parts of the old text remained or reappeared due to erosion and overlapped with the new text. Apparently rewriting hieroglyphs was pretty common, so it seems like a logical explanation. It still is a very big coincidence that in such a small part of a text the overlaps would create more than one image resembling modern (and maybe future?) aircraft. As far as I know, the picture itself is not a fake.


That seems plausible, however I would think that there would be evidence of overlay or erosion. In the case of the image posted below, I would have to say this is not the case. Those hieroglyphs look very clear and clean-cut (though I am by no means an expert). This sorta reminds me of looking at old/ancient paintings and tapestries that also allegedly show UFOs and other "aircraft." So lets say they are overlays where previous hieroglyphs existed. How would the Egyptians even know to make such hieroglyphs without the knowledge of such aircraft or 'submarines'? In either case, the hieroglyphs are clearly sophisticated and do clearly shoe something that for its time, should ne ver have been there.

making abstract designs is not unheard of. Just because we don't understand it doesnt mean it is what we think it looks like. Besides the Egyptians were very good at assigning know heiroglyphs to name things they weren't familiar with or understood. I don't see this here. Perhaps someone is reading to much into something that isnt there


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Message 1107376 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 18:52:39 UTC - in response to Message 1107281.  

I've read somewhere that the text was rewritten, and parts of the old text remained or reappeared due to erosion and overlapped with the new text. Apparently rewriting hieroglyphs was pretty common, so it seems like a logical explanation. It still is a very big coincidence that in such a small part of a text the overlaps would create more than one image resembling modern (and maybe future?) aircraft. As far as I know, the picture itself is not a fake.


That seems plausible, however I would think that there would be evidence of overlay or erosion. In the case of the image posted below, I would have to say this is not the case. Those hieroglyphs look very clear and clean-cut (though I am by no means an expert). This sorta reminds me of looking at old/ancient paintings and tapestries that also allegedly show UFOs and other "aircraft." So lets say they are overlays where previous hieroglyphs existed. How would the Egyptians even know to make such hieroglyphs without the knowledge of such aircraft or 'submarines'? In either case, the hieroglyphs are clearly sophisticated and do clearly shoe something that for its time, should ne ver have been there.

making abstract designs is not unheard of. Just because we don't understand it doesnt mean it is what we think it looks like. Besides the Egyptians were very good at assigning know heiroglyphs to name things they weren't familiar with or understood. I don't see this here. Perhaps someone is reading to much into something that isnt there


True...but the hieroglyphs are pretty clear though I am not ready to say they are a spaceship(s). I think, as posted before, we can rule out insects as there is clearly one present in the image provided. Some kind of crafts or what not would be items they didn't understand or even had a grasp of for their time. Now why wouldn't the walls be littered with such hieroglyphs of other alleged crafts? Well because the crafts were not flying overhead freely 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Hieroglyphs tell stories and were engraved into stone like we write books. So if someone or some people saw crafts flying around, one would expect them to be placed in some sort of story. From my understanding of hieroglyphs, each symbol has a meaning of some sort, and some more meanings than others depending on their order in the storyline. So my question is, what is being said in that image?
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Message 1107389 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 19:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 1107376.  

I don't think we are using the same terms here. Heiroglyphs are a written type of language. The Glyphs you call heiroglyphs are by no means used in any language since they do not have a definition associated to them


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Message 1107392 - Posted: 18 May 2011, 19:30:47 UTC - in response to Message 1107389.  

I don't think we are using the same terms here. Heiroglyphs are a written type of language. The Glyphs you call heiroglyphs are by no means used in any language since they do not have a definition associated to them


Nonetheless they have a meaning, and tell something. So what are they telling?

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Message 1107629 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 13:21:14 UTC - in response to Message 1107392.  

I don't think we are using the same terms here. Heiroglyphs are a written type of language. The Glyphs you call heiroglyphs are by no means used in any language since they do not have a definition associated to them


Nonetheless they have a meaning, and tell something. So what are they telling?

I think the Glyphs are saying;
"Hay you guys, wake up for God's sake. Build this spaceship you see in the picture and pop over to our planet and say hello!"

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Message 1107652 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 15:01:19 UTC - in response to Message 1107629.  

then you have to ask, " how often have we found these same glyphs?" just that once? Hmmm, If aliens came here you'd think there'd be a bit more writing about it.


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Message 1107700 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 16:46:13 UTC - in response to Message 1107652.  

.... If aliens came here you'd think there'd be a bit more writing about it.

Isn't that what we are doing here now? People have been writing books about this topic for a long time. Maybe your only noticing it now.

The idea is not new, its around since the beginning of recorded history.
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Message 1107711 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 17:57:01 UTC - in response to Message 1107700.  

being ironic? you know what I mean. This appears to be the only icons located. why is that? are they rare? were the others destroyed? Is this just an odd coincidence? most likely yes


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Message 1107750 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 20:09:43 UTC
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The meaning is pretty obvious to me:

While the wasp was pollinating the plant, it was being observed by an alien in a helicopter, who got distracted and hit a bird, crashing afterwards (note the flaming debris field below). Rescue efforts were carried out by boat, shuttle and hovercraft, but all they could find was the pharao's pet multiheaded monster, feeding off of two food bowls.

You guys REALLY can't see it?

On a serious note: That is a VERY VERY odd coincidence.
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Message 1107762 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 20:34:20 UTC - in response to Message 1107761.  

or he could be heading to Studio 54


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Message 1107769 - Posted: 19 May 2011, 20:42:49 UTC

Spacesuitwise, I go with these:

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