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Message 1088304 - Posted: 19 Mar 2011, 2:27:08 UTC

This from CNN.com:

News reports from Japan say rescuers found a man alive in the rubble of a home, eight days after earthquake.
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Message 1088858 - Posted: 20 Mar 2011, 18:33:39 UTC

From CNN.com:

Two more survivors were pulled from the rubble recently, An 80 year old Grandmother and Her Grandson.
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Message 1090560 - Posted: 26 Mar 2011, 6:39:30 UTC

OMG...
This is some incredible footage....shot from street level as the water comes rushing in.

It's hard to get a grip on how immense an event this was until you view this.

Up close and personal with a tsunami.
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Message 1090587 - Posted: 26 Mar 2011, 10:37:13 UTC

The size of those large vehicles and the houses just being swept away shows the force of that water .....

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Message 1090590 - Posted: 26 Mar 2011, 10:50:03 UTC - in response to Message 1090587.  
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The size of those large vehicles and the houses just being swept away shows the force of that water .....

If I didn't know better, You swear the houses were toys to be played with and the water was having a blast. But It shows the force water can have and those waves were typical for a sea quake of around that size, But still their nothing according to scientists who say a long run out slide like has happened to the Hawaiian islands in the past could make a megatsunami, They said the size would be hundreds of meters tall. Such a wave had hit Australia once long ago I read.
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Message 1090795 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 5:04:40 UTC
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Radiation at the plant now "10 million times the usual level". Is it okay to worry now? Plant evacuated yet again. Radiation burns occured on workers at "12,000 times the usual level"

Can we call it a meltdown yet?
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Message 1090822 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 8:34:48 UTC

In the news was mentioned the metdown is already in progress.
The radiation level has its own language.

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Message 1090828 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 8:54:15 UTC - in response to Message 1090795.  

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These numbers seem high; do you know what normal numbers would be?
I think being worried is acceptable now. One of my sisters has a son and a daughter in Shanghai right now, but I know she wants them back here now.
None of this is good, none of it.
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Message 1090835 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 9:27:12 UTC

Basically it's in the cooling water of a reactor, it's not in the ground water, or public water supply. Secondly the sea radiation will disappear in 8 days due to Iodine half life. But clearly there is a continuing problem there. As you say none of it is good.

Earlier, Japan's nuclear agency said that levels of radioactive iodine in the sea near the plant had risen to 1,850 times the usual level.

Leaking water at reactor 2 has been measured at 1,000 millisieverts/hour - 10 million times higher than when the plant is operating normally

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Message 1090861 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 12:57:26 UTC - in response to Message 1090828.  

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These numbers seem high; do you know what normal numbers would be?
I think being worried is acceptable now. One of my sisters has a son and a daughter in Shanghai right now, but I know she wants them back here now.
None of this is good, none of it.
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Japanese standards talking about 250 millisievert a year.
Now its 1000 per hour.

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Message 1090902 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 15:59:06 UTC - in response to Message 1090828.  

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These numbers seem high; do you know what normal numbers would be?
I think being worried is acceptable now. One of my sisters has a son and a daughter in Shanghai right now, but I know she wants them back here now.
None of this is good, none of it.
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The prevailing winds at those latitudes blow west to east - away from China and towards North America.
Shanghai should be safe from whatever happens at Fukushima.

From a stationary source, radiation levels drop exponentially as distance increases. Levels inside the building where the workers are trying to get the pumps going may be high enough to cause illness, but a mile or two away there is little danger.

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Message 1090903 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 16:00:15 UTC

OK Guys don't panic any more for the moment .....

They got it wrong
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Message 1090905 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 16:05:56 UTC - in response to Message 1090902.  

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These numbers seem high; do you know what normal numbers would be?
I think being worried is acceptable now. One of my sisters has a son and a daughter in Shanghai right now, but I know she wants them back here now.
None of this is good, none of it.
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The prevailing winds at those latitudes blow west to east - away from China and towards North America.
Shanghai should be safe from whatever happens at Fukushima.

From a stationary source, radiation levels drop exponentially as distance increases. Levels inside the building where the workers are trying to get the pumps going may be high enough to cause illness, but a mile or two away there is little danger.

Yes, Shanghai being in China should be quite safe.
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Message 1090910 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 16:18:57 UTC - in response to Message 1090828.  

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These numbers seem high; do you know what normal numbers would be?
I think being worried is acceptable now. One of my sisters has a son and a daughter in Shanghai right now, but I know she wants them back here now.
None of this is good, none of it.
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Normal is 3 milliseverts per year. readings are 12,000+(bad reporting, but this seems to be the hourly number as has been said.)

What was coming out late last night is, these levels were at the turbine outlets(cooling ponds) and surprisingly were in reactor #2. reactor #3 seems to be more dangerous and generally in worse shape.
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Message 1090921 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 17:03:08 UTC

Exactly s^s.
Japanese standards are 250 a year.

1000x24x365 = 8.760.000


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Message 1090942 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 17:36:25 UTC - in response to Message 1090921.  

Exactly s^s.
Japanese standards are 250 a year.

1000x24x365 = 8.760.000


250 per year maximum for a nuke plant worker may indeed be correct.

the 3 "normal" may be exceeded due to typical exposures from electronics, dental x-rays, and normal living of life. Some regional areas may be higher.
But "normal" of 3/yr seems to be the standard.

The levels reported are far beyond fatal, even short term. I am trying to find a site with localized radiation readings, and not having any success. News is simply spewing the numbers from japan(which come from a suspect company) and we are being told not to panic. The problem I have is I am not panicing, just trying to find some actual numbers so I can actually make my own determination.

If local numbers go to 200/year no worries. If they go up into the 100/hr. Concern time. Start taking precautions, plenty of non-rad iodine, stay out of the rain etc. Again... numbers need to also reflect "over how much time". And the news is REALLY sketchy there.

latest report.. radiation levels are only 100,000 times what they "should be".
not sure what "should be" is for a nuke cooling pond.
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Message 1090951 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 17:50:52 UTC

BBC says:
"A spokesman for Japan's nuclear watchdog, Hidehiko Nishiyama, said the level of radiation in puddles near reactor 2 was confirmed at 1,000 millisieverts an hour.

"It is an extremely high figure," Mr Nishiyama said.

The radiation levels are so high, that emergency workers near the contaminated water would have received four times their maximum annual dose of radiation in just one hour.

The BBC's Mark Worthington in Tokyo says the erroneous report has created more confusion around a crisis that is already causing widespread unease in the country.

On Sunday, anti-nuclear protesters held a large rally in Tokyo, calling for change in Japan's nuclear industry.

Meanwhile, efforts are continuing to locate the exact source of the radioactive water leak, amid concerns that the water is leaking directly from the reactor itself.

Earlier, Japan's nuclear agency said that levels of radioactive iodine in the sea near the plant had risen to 1,850 times the usual level.

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Message 1090960 - Posted: 27 Mar 2011, 18:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 1090951.  
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Well It's good to know that the radioactive iodine will be something else in about 18 days, Of course what It will be is the question?

And Yeah, I can see someone adding a zero on to a press release, It wouldn't be the 1st time that has happened, Nor the last. Japan will have to do something to make the remaining plants safer and provide for an input power line from a far away power plant that can supply tertiary backup power in the event the secondary backup power has failed, Plus find some way to wall off the most vulnerable areas of the power plants near the coast to keep the tsunami waves from destroying the pumps, diesels & other needed areas that are fragile, That or build new plants behind something very tall or just on higher ground. Out here We have a few along the coast that are said to be over engineered, I'd hope the NRC can find out with computer modeling how well they'd perform under similar circumstances to Fukishima... Or We'll all wind up Fuki'd maybe...
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Message 1091071 - Posted: 28 Mar 2011, 2:34:20 UTC

They should start by moving the back-up diesel generators to the side of the buildings away from the coastline, if they are not there already.
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