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John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
The day the Chernobyl cloud passed over Italy I was visiting the Euratom site ad Ispra and, as a rule, I was given a small nuclear radiation detector to monitor any radiation I might receive. I had to give it back while exiting the site, so I never knew how much radiation I had absorbed that day. There are other major differences. Chernobyl was a graphite moderated reactor. These have two distinct problems that do not exist in other types of reactors. First Graphite tends to catch fire. Second, they do not do well at all at low power. There were several other problems with Chernobyl. Including the roofs of the non-containment buildings. These were made of sheet metal with crimped edges with a coating of tar on top. These are bad fire hazards because the tar on the roof is metered into any fire inside the building at a rate that usually keeps it burning hot - no matter what the firemen do. The containment building failed to keep the radiation inside, and released a major cloud of radioactive ash into the atmosphere. My bet is that the containment buildings in Japan will hold, and it will be more like Three Mile Island. BOINC WIKI |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I think the containment building of one reactor has exploded, unless it was the turbine hall that exploded cause a hydrogen buildup. Tullio |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
I think the containment building of one reactor has exploded, unless it was the turbine hall that exploded cause a hydrogen buildup. From what the News said It was not the Containment/Vessel that exploded Tullio. The explosion looked more like hydrogen/steam than anything else and the radioactivity did fall the News said, which is good. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
The safety of a nuclear reactor is three tiered. Th first tier is the casing of the fuel elements, made from an alloy called Zircaloy. The second is the steel vessel containing the reactor core. The third one is the containment building made of reinforced concrete. It is this that may have crumbled after a chemical explosion. Tullio |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Q&A: What has quake done to Japanese nuclear reactors?
The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
UK latest Yeah, But I think 10,000 may be somewhat low, I expect the death toll to be much higher, But by then the News will have moved on, As the Quake by then will be old news not worth reporting. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34253 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
UK latest We´ll be informed in eueope. With no doubt. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
How on earth are they going to remove the many ships inland on the ground? Some are very large, they will have to be cut up in pieces one assumes? It can be done, One was up on a dock, There a coffer dam could be constructed so as to float the ship away and then lower the ship back down, But cranes would be cheaper to use, For those farther away Cranes and special moving equipment would be needed, As It's like moving a large building, So cutting/scrapping is not needed. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
The toll will be int the tens of thousands.......... Did you watch the first tsunami?????????// Christ Almighty come awash........ "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
The toll will be int the tens of thousands.......... Yeah, I saw that monster wave on TV, Only those on hills nearby or on tall buildings here and there were safe. sigh another setback in a long line of setbacks going back to beyond antiquity. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
Peoples tend to forget. The tsunami following the Messina quake of 1908 destroyed Messina and killed 80000 people. Yet people still live there. There were no nuclear reactors, of course, but some plan to build a bridge across the Stretto di Messina. I hope they think twice after this disaster. Tullio |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
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zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Before/after Agreed, Total Devastation for the most part, Almost no structures survived intact and the land is either flooded or has sank some. The airport @ Sendai might be salvageable though, As that whole area is not going to be the same as It was before. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
skildude Send message Joined: 4 Oct 00 Posts: 9541 Credit: 50,759,529 RAC: 60 |
Nikkei dropped 6%. It's not pretty and I would think that trading would be halted for a week. In the hopes that some stability could be won. In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face. Diogenes Of Sinope |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
What I think impresses me is that there has been no looting at all. During the 2007 floods in the UK West Country, abandoned cars were broken into and free packs of bottled water were stolen. There was looting in Chile after the earthquake last year, and troops were sent in. In New Orleans the looting was simply terrible. I think You'll find It's their culture and maybe their religion, But then I could be wrong, As I'm just on the outside looking in. The USS Ronald Reagan("the navy has a Raygun") has moved farther offshore as It seems the whole ship moved through a radioactive cloud, So they may have to wash(decontaminate) the ship & personnel off. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
klc53* Send message Joined: 14 Nov 07 Posts: 3052 Credit: 7,320,707 RAC: 0 |
Why do some people react to disaster by demonstrating everyone for himself, but others – especially the Japanese – are able to pull together in adversity? Just an observation: Japan endured the most horrific man-made catastrophe in history. Perhaps that singular event helped change/mold their perspective and character. But, I am sure there are many attributing factors which define the collective consciousness of the Japanese people. ... BETTER THE WORLD ~ PAY IT FORWARD ... |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
On the News, Some food stores in Japan are sold out of food, They showed bare shelves. Also at least one of the fisheries ships caught fire and may have sunk. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
Helli_retiered Send message Joined: 15 Dec 99 Posts: 707 Credit: 108,785,585 RAC: 0 |
A few minutes ago i have read that 72,945 Buildings are destroyed. I wonder how they count it so exactly... Helli A loooong time ago: First Credits after SETI@home Restart |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 65709 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
A few minutes ago i have read that 72,945 Buildings are destroyed. Satellites and Computers maybe, Otherwise I have no idea. The T1 Trust, PRR T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, 1 of America's First HST's |
perryjay Send message Joined: 20 Aug 02 Posts: 3377 Credit: 20,676,751 RAC: 0 |
A few minutes ago i have read that 72,945 Buildings are destroyed. Well, when whole towns are destroyed you just check to see how many buildings were in that town then count the extra buildings outside. Doesn't take long to come up with a total that is way too high but accurate. PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC |
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