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Blake Bonkofsky Send message Joined: 29 Dec 99 Posts: 617 Credit: 46,383,149 RAC: 0 |
Oh I understand it. It's just my basic instinct to look at is as Inbound to Seti and Outbound from Seti, which it is not. |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
since the graph works when the project is down, it is obviously from the other end of the SETI link (outside). The numbers reflect this. The bar graph is downloads(and other outbound) the line portion is incoming(to SETI) Janice |
Uli Send message Joined: 6 Feb 00 Posts: 10923 Credit: 5,996,015 RAC: 1 |
Robert: Robert Eric is aware the budget on that page is outdated. He will get to it in time. What would you prefer, a newer budget update or time for Eric to solicit grants to help the project? I prefer the latter. Pluto will always be a planet to me. Seti Ambassador Not to late to order an Anni Shirt |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
What's with all the angst around here?? The project is back up and running. Splitting work like he** won't have it, and shooting it out to us as fast as the bandwidth will allow. Better still, the outage over the weekend was caused by Worf, not Oscar or Carolyn...so that's rather good news! And they have even let Oscar even pick up some splitting duties, easing the load on some other less capable server. The boyz decided to take care of the weekly outage tasks today, so no outage on Tuesday. (The message on the home page is automated, and pops up by itself). So, relax..... Hit the buttons if you are so inclined, otherwise just let Boinc retry downloads when it can, and the bandwidth will settle in a while....(OK, maybe a long while, LOL.....been a lotta outage time lately, and there are a lot of hungry crunchers.) And if somebody wants to buy a few plane tickets, I'll send the kitties to hunt down the gremlins haunting the server closet. Smile, my Seti friends. It may seem like a rough restart, but I am so optimistic right now, you could not possibly understand. Meow! Meow! Mark "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
Allie in Vancouver Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3949 Credit: 1,604,668 RAC: 0 |
Well said, Mark. Personally, I think that the roll-out of the new servers and the return of SAH has gone surprisingly smooth with only a few minor bumps along the way. Pure mathematics is, in its way, the poetry of logical ideas. Albert Einstein |
Scarecrow Send message Joined: 15 Jul 00 Posts: 4520 Credit: 486,601 RAC: 0 |
Well said, Mark. Just think how good it would have gone if they worked weekends. (ducking, bobbing and weaving) |
bill Send message Joined: 16 Jun 99 Posts: 861 Credit: 29,352,955 RAC: 0 |
An excellent suggestion. It just might cure the saturated connection problem.
If you're in it for the credits I think you should find a different project. Milkyway@Home hands out a heck of a lot more credits than S@H. Well, it does when it's up, it seems to be down right now, but when it's up you really get the credits. Still, if S@H quit handing out credits, you would be surprised at how many people still would crunch for it. |
platium Send message Joined: 5 Jul 10 Posts: 212 Credit: 262,426 RAC: 0 |
To me the people like Robert help liven the MB up so just let him enjoy his posting read them and repected that he has his opinion right or wrong it will not affect the proformance of the project unless he can go volunteer work on the project at seti |
-BeNt- Send message Joined: 17 Oct 99 Posts: 1234 Credit: 10,116,112 RAC: 0 |
I think as long as a post isn't a personal attack on someone, or saying something just awful then they should have the right to post without moderation. Because opinions are like as......yeah you know the saying. I'm also with Mark on the whole situation I'm excited, especially when I saw the server fighting through the swamp of people last night to still push out some WU's to me. I think , no I know the raid issue couldn't have been avoided and they handled it fine. The entire swap over was handled wonderfully and they couldn't have done it better or faster and everything be as good as it is, so there nothing but good things to say there. Now could the University supply us with some IT guys and a Scientist to work the weekend in the event something happen, heck yeah, will they, NO. Would things be better for the project and us if they had someone there to babysit and tweak things over the weekends, sure. But right now they can't, I guess I could be called a cheerleader. But really if you aren't going to cheerlead keep a positive attitude and help out, what's the point? Keep up the spirit, knock down the spite, lets get this party started! Traveling through space at ~67,000mph! |
Riffrafter Send message Joined: 12 Jan 04 Posts: 14 Credit: 37,113 RAC: 0 |
...But really if you aren't going to cheerlead keep a positive attitude and help out, what's the point? Good question. Now I remember why I stopped participating years ago. What's the point? First off - where's the science? What interesting candidate signals may have been found? How many? What were the measurements in those WU's? Where were they located? I mean, this is all about the science and the search isn't it? As far as the very unreliable nature of the servers, etc to provide WU's to the participants: On the one hand, I understand that sh*t happens, but on the other hand, this is THEIR project that we are kind enough to donate our computers too. If it was my project and I was lucky enough to have a lot of people volunterring to help me, I would feel obligated to make sure that all of the things on my end that I was responsible for, would be working and I would make sure to regularly keep people posted as to status and progress on the science side of things. Almost all of the other distributed computing projects do a FAR better job at this than Seti@home. Why is that? |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
What's the point? To search for life "out there...." First off - where's the science? Many advances have been made, and more continue to be made. It is happening at a slow, but methodical pace. What interesting candidate signals may have been found? How many? What were the measurements in those WU's? Where were they located? Most or all of these can be answered by the NTPCKR which they continue to work with. I mean, this is all about the science and the search isn't it? Sure is. but on the other hand, this is THEIR project that we are kind enough to donate our computers too. If it was my project and I was lucky enough to have a lot of people volunterring to help me, I would feel obligated to make sure that all of the things on my end that I was responsible for, would be working and I would make sure to regularly keep people posted as to status and progress on the science side of things. My questions back to anyone whom asks the same questions are: what level of expectation do you have? What leads anyone to believe that the guys aren't doing everything they can? The fact that things break and they're not fixed right away? Do we assume, like others have, that they are somehow incompetent and/or lazy/unwilling? Is it really so hard to give them the benefit of the doubt to know that if you would go above and beyond, so have they? They post updates when it's relevant and when they have a few spare moments to do so. If they do not meet your expectations, is it really OK to assume the worst, most negative thing you can possibly think of? And when people disagree, is it really OK to call them "cheerleaders", which is really an offensive term that implies that people who support the project and its Admins are somehow willingly blind to the project's faults which doesn't sufficiently describe or respect the fact that the individuals are simply more tolerant of the very same things the dissenters are not tolerant of? Almost all of the other distributed computing projects do a FAR better job at this than Seti@home. Funding. Less volunteers. A smaller group of volunteers puts less of a pounding on their equipment, much of which is newer than SETI's. Other project Admins may not have the same busy schedule as the Admins here. How many other projects are able to be run by one or two people? Why is that? Personally, I'd stop posting as much if all I got was a bunch of criticisms from people who didn't have a clue and could care less even if you explained it to them because nothing is good enough, and a bunch of arm-chair quarterbacking. [Edit to fix my misspelling of "its" for Jord :)] |
Tom95134 Send message Joined: 27 Nov 01 Posts: 216 Credit: 3,790,200 RAC: 0 |
Late Evening everyone. Well said! |
-BeNt- Send message Joined: 17 Oct 99 Posts: 1234 Credit: 10,116,112 RAC: 0 |
...But really if you aren't going to cheerlead keep a positive attitude and help out, what's the point? And it's people like you that need to move on good for you! Where is the science you ask, right here. These are the things our computers are looking for, when something is 'found' they have to check and re-check etc. to make sure it's legitimate before making a press conference. We already have one scientist thinking he had found something. And the unreliable nature of the servers is something that will be inherent in anything of this size and complexity. What exactly are you expecting? Why are people so self gratuitous to think that Seti OWES them 24/7 365 uptime. From what I see from your account you are crunching Seti again, so why are you back if you are so disgusted? You downloaded on the 9,10,11, and 12th and they make a cache for a reason. If you only have the cache set for .5-2 days of course if the servers go down you aren't going to have work, and when they come back you are going to have to fight for a few hours to try and get anything. No speaking on your point of 'if it was my project', that's just it. It IS your project if your participate. But the thing I see a lot of people failing to see in here is they look at it from a business or personal standpoint. If the group at Seti had funding to buy whatever infrastructure they needed, along with the man power you would never see the servers down. Plain and simple, but unfortunately they have to fight with government and university politics and financing to get anything done. For crying out loud they can't even use PayPal due to the university to accept donation! Open your eyes. Some of you guys are like that boss everyone has had in the past. You know the new one they hire that has no clue how to do your job, but he rants and raves on you because you can't push out 80 hours of work in two days. Then when things get delayed because he has set a schedule nobody can meet you are the one in trouble. Same thing here, some of you guys are setting a schedule that could be expected, but can't be delivered. I beg you, if you are that unhappy please move to another project, I'm sure nobody at UC Berkley wants you to live an unhappy life because of their outages. Traveling through space at ~67,000mph! |
Ghery S. Pettit Send message Joined: 7 Nov 99 Posts: 325 Credit: 28,109,066 RAC: 82 |
seti classic used to be down for weeks at a time then run a week or two then go off again for another couple of weeks... Amen. If it's up, it's up. If it's down, oh well... |
Stephen Send message Joined: 1 Dec 10 Posts: 3 Credit: 59,331 RAC: 0 |
...But really if you aren't going to cheerlead keep a positive attitude and help out, what's the point? Given the immense distances to even the nearest stars and the fact that EM radiation is subject to the inverse square law I think we have to recognize that the probability of detecting a transmission from an artificial extraterrestrial source is very low. When a 50,000 watt radio station on Earth transmits isotropically, by the time it reaches Alpha Centauri 4.3 years later the energy is about 10^-30 watts/square meter or 10^-3 Janskys. While detecting an alien signal is unlikely the project is of enormous value because if we ever do detect a signal from an alien civilization it would be the greatest scientific discovery of all time and would have profound meaning not just for science but all other human endeavors. This is not a project for anyone seeking instant gratification, it could be years, decades, centuries before we finally find what we are looking for. |
Mr. Kevvy Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 3802 Credit: 1,114,826,392 RAC: 3,319 |
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Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 |
No speaking on your point of 'if it was my project', that's just it. It IS your project if your participate. But the thing I see a lot of people failing to see in here is they look at it from a business or personal standpoint. If the group at Seti had funding to buy whatever infrastructure they needed, along with the man power you would never see the servers down. Plain and simple, but unfortunately they have to fight with government and university politics and financing to get anything done. For crying out loud they can't even use PayPal due to the university to accept donation! Open your eyes. Valid points, BeNt and ones I wholly agree with. Has anyone considered that if S@H had all the funding to buy whatever it needed, we would not be saying this on the Message Boards? There would be no Message Boards, as they'd be using serious 'crunchers' or maybe something like the one the US Air Force recently put together using PS3 chips. Simply put, we would not be here at all. However, since such funds are not available, that is where we come in - collectively, WE are that hugely powerful number-cruncher. For weeks I've been patiently waiting for 'work' and what work I did get, ran out and here I am, still here waiting patiently for more WUs. Whilst it may be frustrating at times, I can guarantee that it is more frustrating for the team at the 'sharp end' of things. If you've ever had to fight for resources in industry for R&D, to pursue an idea, you'll know what I mean....you're up against all sorts of 'politics' and agendas and the word "simple" seems to have been removed from everyone's vocabulary. As I said, I'm patiently waiting. Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
platium Send message Joined: 5 Jul 10 Posts: 212 Credit: 262,426 RAC: 0 |
Most of us here are aware of the problems with finance, and we realy know that seti team are doing there best that's all we can exspect.we are here to help them if there's no work we should not think the seti team is in any way at fault, in a perfect system they would get the spare equipment out but they don't have that option. i think they needed our encuragement to let them know we are with them. |
Bill Walker Send message Joined: 4 Sep 99 Posts: 3868 Credit: 2,697,267 RAC: 0 |
Very well said Iona. |
MusicGod Send message Joined: 7 Dec 02 Posts: 97 Credit: 24,782,870 RAC: 0 |
KUDOS]to the SETI team. I salute you and tip my hat.[/b] |
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