> Marc
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> I must take issue with one statement.
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> EVOLUTION DID HAPPEN. Not so, evolution did not happen. It is happening.
> Evolution is the engine that drives the universe.
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Yes, from simple to complexity, since 15 billion years

>It is a very logical theory.

Just as those who believe in evolution think the creation of this world being made by God is preposterous, I also think the same of evolution. It may seem logically to you, but I just can't accept that as truth. I've pondered on this matter before and always came to the same conclusion; it just doesn't make sense.

>If you could prove God then you wouldnt have a need for "faith", (per >dictionary) faith being belief not based on logical proof or material evidence.

"Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened."
Romans 1:19-21, KJV

"And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth. And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud: And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh." Genesis 9:12-15, KJV

Misfit, I have my proof of God. I know Him through His works, promises, love, chastisements, and Holy Spirit. My faith is manisfested by believing in Him whom I've not seen.

>Hence, if Man cannot begin to fathom God then Man cannot prove God and must >have FAITH in God.

Man may not be able to prove God by physically seeing Him, thus the need of faith, but I believe His invisible attribues are clearly shown.

>No two snowflakes are alike, and I'll bet in the history of the Earth there's >been more snowflakes than people. So why not?

"And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm. But the men marvelled, saying, What manner of man is this, that even the winds and the sea obey him!" Matthew 8:26-27, KJV

I just decided to pick this verse, but there are many verses in the bible that point to the Lord controlling the weather. I'm sure you already know where I'm going with this. =) If God created this world He would, therefore, rightfully be in control of the weather and it's outcome. Yet, again, just more evidence of His eternal glory and preeminence.

>In the universal scale of distances I doubt 'several feet' mattered. Since >God could "see" what happened/happening/will happen before He created the >universe he could set the "rules and laws" that evolution and life would have >to follow to end up with the exact result he wanted. Are you saying this >would be incapable of God? God's Will be done, right?

Actually, to tell you the truth I can't remember where I read/learned that if the Earth was off several feet in either directions we would either burn from being to close to the sun or freeze from being to far from it. I will see if I can locate some information.

Pertaining to your question about God.

"For with God nothing shall be impossible." Luke 1:37, KJV

Nothings incapable for God, and I would be a fool to say so, but it would be impossible to use the aforementioned analogy. If God claimed creation of all things where does evolution fit into the picture? If our Heavenly Father wanted to give recognition to evolution, would He have not done so? Evolution contradicts the word of God, and takes credit for earth's creation.

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1 I've got a 867MHz TiBook, and it usually takes 13 hrs./WU. Under OS X's >console I can drop the time down to 8hrs. Nyah, nyah!

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