Have to say this is the last straw and I am quiting.
I have detached all of my rigs that have run dry, and as soon as Rig on a Bench has finished it's wu's then it will be detached as well.
Several things have lead me to this action.
Cost of running rigs have hit an all time high.
Servers being down for longer than planned, and being down when they are supposed to be working.
No messages telling us users what is happening.
Need I say more.
I will monitor the pages and may come back when things have stabilised.
I wish everyone happy crunching and hope that the WOW factor is found.

Best of luck but I am finnished.

Dave

Dave, it's a pity, it's sad.


Yes, sometimes we 'should' get more infos from the S@h crew.. (- I guess they are currently to busy, to start up the project at maybe Thursday..)
But - I'm more relaxed over the years now. ;-)

If S@h is down, I crunch MW@h WUs. It's my secondary project.
Currently I 'must', because all five GTX260 have since 14 hours no S@h WUs.


Really - I hope we will see you soon back here!

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[edit]And where the he** is the Sports/MLB/post season thread?[/edit]

Waiting for you to start it in the Seti Cafe?

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Donald
Infernal Optimist / Submariner, retired

@Dave....and any others to whom it applies.

You have your personal choices to make. Nobody, including myself, can tell you what you must do.
But I wish you would analyze why you state you are making the choices you do.

You bring up several points.......
"Cost of running rigs have hit an all time high."

Tell me about it.......$350.00 to $400.00 a month here. So do as I have done. I do not wish to crunch for other projects, as is MY personal choice. So tonight, I have shut down my top 2 rigs, as they have run out of Seti to work on, and they shall remain dormant until work is available again. A couple more will follow shortly as they crunch the last few bits of kibble they have in their caches.

"Servers being down for longer than planned, and being down when they are supposed to be working."

Well, that certainly is true as of late......
The perfect storm has hit Seti. Aging equipment has hit it's limits, and in the midst of things, the dang AC fails.....which may have contributed to the current problems getting mork to fall back in line and get back to work. They tried a RAM swap today, and unfortunately, the RAM they tried had problems as well. They are gonna try some power supply subs tomorrow, and failing that, are shopping for another new server.

"No messages telling us users what is happening."

Now THAT I will take exception to......
In the last few months, information coming from the boyz at Seti has been at an all time high. Sure.....when things are going badly, there is not a streaming banner on the home page with updates every 5 minutes......but, hey....if you read the Technical News thread, you will find many details on exactly what they are fighting with. It's hardware that is the problem, not the will or determination of the staff.



Sooooooooooo.
Take my advice if you will....
Shut the rigs down to save idle power if you do not choose to participate in other projects.....that is what the kitties are doing.
Or, just attach to one of the multitude of other Seti projects temporarily if you wish to keep contributing somewhere. No shame in that, certainly.

I know I have said this more than once in recent days, but I assure you......the Seti project will emerge from their current troubles stronger and more worthy of your contributions than ever before.

As the kitties have spoken, as it shall be.
Just keep the kibble bowls ready......
New kibble will be coming in the coming days or weeks, and then.....such a feast the kitties will have.

Meow meow for now.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Ya know......
With 4 rigs shut down it gets pretty quiet in here....

And I can actually hear my IBM clicky and my mouse click.......LOL.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

It's allways sad to see someone leave, you have very valid reasons Dave but i hope one day you change your mind and come back.

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Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Me being here from damnb near the the beginning and you for 11 years the ORIGINAL premise (which you forgot) was we would donate unused cpu cyles for the scientists to use as they saw fit and maybe BOTH parties would reap benifits of the research.

It has now become the OMG I NEED POINTS free web game for most of the crowd. It was NEVER supposed to be a game.

This kind of nonsense defines "jeer-leading". They crunch for 11 years, 31 million units.. and your response is "do not let the door hit you..." ???

That was rude, mean, and completely uncalled for. It is what gives these boards a bad name.

On the other hand, QuietDad's basic point is absolutely correct. We've all been here for over 11 years now: we should know, and consciously remember, why we're here. We provide spare, and sometimes deliberately created, processing cycles to help the search for ET.

SETI@home was most emphatically NOT invented to create a novel form of central heating for our homes. There is no expectation or obligation on the project to supply 'make-work' just for the sake of it.

If SETI@home has data it would like processing, I'll help out with that processing. But if it doesn't, I'll find something different to occupy my, and my computers', time.

Anyone who expects that SETI should be always, 100%, available needs to look inside their own soul and examine why they believe that. And anyone who makes a 'next 10 years of my life' decision of the basis of a few days' human/mechanical fallibility is welcome to do so. But they should perhaps recognise that it's a personal choice, not anything expected of them (either way) by the project.

Quiet Dad had no point other than to be downright mean. Dave hit a limit to himself of what he was willng to endure. To add insult on top of that is RIDICULOUS!! Dave never asked for 24/7. He expressed that he was dissatisfied
at the balance of what he put into it (and his ability to continue to do so) and the levels the project was able to maintain. We all have a limit.

Dave fought the good fight long and hard. Maybe too hard. Maybe too long. But in what way should that be held to ridicule?

I know there are good folks on the board. I have met a few of them. But that was NOT an example of what I expect from fellow setizens. A bit of respect goes a long way. It is not one way.

So to Dave and the others like him who are stressed and worn down.. patience please. The lab has a lot on their plate right now. And we have a chance to move some things forward. And a big thank you for what you have done.

To the Staff: Keep doing the best you can with what you have. And if you run short on ideas we have more. Good and bad. If you hit a roadblock.. let us know and we will put our heads together and form a rock pile.

And if anyone else wants to jump on my fellow Setizens.. It makes a lot of people very angry and is widely regarded as a bad idea.

We are one big happy dysfunctional family. So quit hitting your brother.

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Janice

Aargh...

Back from my Two-Week Vacation what do i read? A Long-Time Power Cruncher leaves...
Sad to hear - reading your previous Posts, i believe i could nothing say to change your Opinion.
A word of Cost - why will everybody shut down all Rigs instead of reducing the amount?

My Bill reached also my personal Limit. I reduced the Cruncher from 3x i7 + 10 GPUs to only the 10 GPUs...

Helli

...
Speaking for myself, I will be here until the last wu is passed out, or I drop dead. I will also continue to donate dollars when ever I can to help out. I do respect everyones own choices, and Dave, I wish you the best. I'm going for another 11 years.

Steve

Unknowingly you spoke for me too, Steve. :-)

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A loooong time ago: First Credits after SETI@home Restart

i find it somewhat ironic that a guy with less than 2 million credits
can tell a guy with over 31 million off like that.

I figured this was coming in the debate. I was not surprised. Eleven years on and I find out that my opinion isn't good enough. Sorry I couldn't afford to buy all those fancy computers.

- Jim

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Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Me being here from damnb near the the beginning and you for 11 years the ORIGINAL premise (which you forgot) was we would donate unused cpu cyles for the scientists to use as they saw fit and maybe BOTH parties would reap benifits of the research.

It has now become the OMG I NEED POINTS free web game for most of the crowd. It was NEVER supposed to be a game.

This kind of nonsense defines "jeer-leading". They crunch for 11 years, 31 million units.. and your response is "do not let the door hit you..." ???

That was rude, mean, and completely uncalled for. It is what gives these boards a bad name.

I actually agree whith him. I get really annoyed at all the boohooing about work not being available. So what! find something else to do. get a hobby. get a life. Heck get another project. there's only about 50 to choose from.

rude? mean? uncalled for? aren't you talking about the original post. for all his crying about Berkeley and seti not giving him what he wants. To bad. and good day

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

I always remember one thing:

We are here for SETI, SETI is not here for us.

Cool heads must prevail in times like this. Sorry to see anyone go.

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SETI@home classic workunits 4,019
SETI@home classic CPU time 34,348 hours

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. Me being here from damnb near the the beginning and you for 11 years the ORIGINAL premise (which you forgot) was we would donate unused cpu cyles for the scientists to use as they saw fit and maybe BOTH parties would reap benifits of the research.

It has now become the OMG I NEED POINTS free web game for most of the crowd. It was NEVER supposed to be a game.

This kind of nonsense defines "jeer-leading". They crunch for 11 years, 31 million units.. and your response is "do not let the door hit you..." ???

That was rude, mean, and completely uncalled for. It is what gives these boards a bad name.

I actually agree whith him. I get really annoyed at all the boohooing about work not being available. So what! find something else to do. get a hobby. get a life. Heck get another project. there's only about 50 to choose from.

rude? mean? uncalled for? aren't you talking about the original post. for all his crying about Berkeley and seti not giving him what he wants. To bad. and good day

All he did was come in and say he was leaving. He did not ask for sympathy. He did not ask for ANYTHING. After 11 long years.. that is honestly how you feel people should be treated?? That is LOW!!

Tell me again why people do not feel respected.. Because I think you just answered it. He did not cry about it. Dave just said he was done.

It upsets me to see people I know take off. But it happens. That does not
give me or YOU a right to be a B*#($! about it.

I repeat.. Rude. Mean. and COMPLETELY uncalled for.

The only reason I would even THINK "Do not let the door hit you"is if they...
well treated people like THAT!!

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Janice

""i find it somewhat ironic that a guy with less than 2 million credits
can tell a guy with over 31 million off like that."


"I figured this was coming in the debate. I was not surprised. Eleven years on and I find out that my opinion isn't good enough. Sorry I couldn't afford to buy all those fancy computers.

- Jim""

my comment was to the level of his commitment.
you couldn't afford to build fancy computers, i understand that.
he could, and did, because of his commitment to seti.

i didn't say your opinion doesn't count. far from it.
i meant his level of commitment was overlooked and denigrated
in a very mean spirited way.

sorry for any confusion or slight

phud

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Though I'm sorry to see him leave I would like to note he is doing it in a friendly way. He came in, said his goodbyes and is running his tasks down first. He is not just shutting down, deleting BOINC and leaving his wing men stuck with a bunch of tasks that would have to time out with no explanation. I've got enough of those on my machine now. I don't need any more.

It's good to see so many supporting his decision, it will make it easier for those that also decide to go to do it the friendly way and also may help them decide to give it another try later. Some of the newer people may even ask for the best way to quit without worrying about being jumped on and get it done the right way.

Again Dave, hope to see you back in the future, your contribution and your helpful comments will be missed.

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PROUD MEMBER OF Team Starfire World BOINC

I see this as a chance for me to help in a useful future that means discovering new things. its going to be a long project maybe many years. some small problem will occur now and then. colombus did not give up because of little problems, like he had no crew that wanted to sail.my Q8300 pcs is a slow one it has 53 finish task the faster machines must have hundereds, but i am happy to wiat. things will still carrie on and all the task will be done some time.

I see this as a chance for me to help in a useful future that means discovering new things. its going to be a long project maybe many years. some small problem will occur now and then. colombus did not give up because of little problems, like he had no crew that wanted to sail.my Q8300 pcs is a slow one it has 53 finish task the faster machines must have hundereds, but i am happy to wiat. things will still carrie on and all the task will be done some time.

Now thats a good attitude

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

1st of all let me apologize for mt tone yesterday. It did kind of come off strong but it was a bad day.

2nd of all, while the tone was wrong, the context remains. Yes, I'm not a 31 gazillion pt per day cruncher, but I have had my pc's crunching since 1999. AT this point it's only one, but have had as many as 15 crunching at once. Never have I spent extra money on any PC to make it a super cruncher. They where all PC's in the house or at work that had idle time and I threw seti@home on them.

When this all started, the folks at seti had an idea. They made a screensaver to use your computer when you weren't to crunch data. The community figured out how to have it run all the time. The community figured out how to optimize it. The community figured out how to cache work units. The community figured out how to crunch on GPU's. The community figured out how to move and transfer WU's between CPU's and GPUs to get the most RAC.

And a hand full of users whine and moan that the folks at seti can't keep up. It gets real boring real fast folks.

I submit to any of you. Go buy a new car. Any car. Spend $5000 in getting a race motor installed that is 300hp more than the motor in the car. Then drive the car to the dealer you bought the car and complain you keep burning off the tires, your gas mileage sucks and it won't stay on the road. FIX IT or i'm giving it back and I want a refund.

The handful of guys at berkley still doing this, mostly part time and as volunteers are interested in the SCIENCE, not in the RAC and until the community realizes theis, the same 7 people will waste threads on this board complaining that they can find money to make super crunchers so why isnt seti finding money to accomadate them. We are helping them, The are NOT appeasing us......

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1st of all let me apologize for mt tone yesterday. It did kind of come off strong but it was a bad day.

We all have good days and bad days. I myself have had a few rants here from time to time.

I hope others here will accept your apology. I know I do.

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no one is asking any appeasement. Just that you not SLAM people that have worked long and hard on a project just because they are done. This is not the first time you have done this. I suspect it will not be the last.

We have most of a rough month ahead. I doubt this will be the last person to leave because of it. But I HOPE it is the last person that gets treated like dirt when they do!

We all put in to this project in our own dysfunctional way. There is NO reason to be Jackyls about it when the going gets tough. But I honestly believe someone that has accumulated 31 million credits(I know they mean nothing over all etc blah blah blah) has done their fair share. They deserve a salute as they retire. Not to have trash thrown at them as they leave.

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Janice

i find it somewhat ironic that a guy with less than 2 million credits
can tell a guy with over 31 million off like that.

...and what the heck is THAT supposed to mean?

I'm sorry im disabled and cant afford to buy loads of quad core machines like you have done, i'm sorry i suddenly dont have a superiority complex and have my head up my own rear end like you now have...

It's cause of folks like Phud looking down on other folks in THIS FORUM thats giving the "power crunchers" a bad name. I've been in Seti for a good number of years now, dont have a high "score" cause guess what folks...this isnt a game. Again, folks like Phud have totally lost the reasoning behind seti, and it's due to folks like him, that folks like me refuse to take part in these forums, it's nothing more than a back patting session for the folks with high numbers...thats all this forum is, thats all this forum will ever be...

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The world biggest Star Trek gaming website.

Somehow I think Dave will be back when the smoke clears in the Seti server closet.

I have a few WUs left on this, my daily driver. But the kitties have shut down my 4 power crunchers, and are pacing the floor and meowing for some new work to do.
Disappointed? Yah, sure I am. I would be surprised if anybody with a longstanding or high level of participation in this project was not.

But there is no reason for us to backbite each other because we are not happy about the recent troubles the project has had with it's hardware.

Things will improve.....maybe in a few days, maybe in a few weeks. But the Seti staff is committed to making it so. And they will.

I hope Dave and all the other crunchers who are unhappy with the present situation will be here when things are looking brighter.

Meow meow.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster