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Message 1010480 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 23:18:29 UTC - in response to Message 1010467.  


I'd love a chart showing crunchers vs total

the crunchers need all the kudos they can get


No quite what you are after but this link second graph down shows the number of users who have received credit in the last month (ie active users) and the one below it showing the total number of people signed up. So just over 15% of people signed up are active.

I have a similar chart here that shows about the same info, but going back 2 years.

There's another chart I just tossed together from data from the SETI user stats file. Show different "levels" of RAC and the number of users at those levels.... too big to display here, so here's the link to that one.
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Message 1010495 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 0:08:33 UTC - in response to Message 1010480.  
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There's another chart I just tossed together from data from the SETI user stats file. Show different "levels" of RAC and the number of users at those levels.... too big to display here, so here's the link to that one.


Hm, am I reading it wrong? It seems to say there are 0 users over 100K RAC, but according to the top users list, there are 12. ???

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[edit] And in Boincstats, 14...
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Message 1010496 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 0:16:05 UTC - in response to Message 1010495.  


There's another chart I just tossed together from data from the SETI user stats file. Show different "levels" of RAC and the number of users at those levels.... too big to display here, so here's the link to that one.


Hm, am I reading it wrong? It seems to say there are 0 users over 100K RAC, but according to the top users list, there are 12. ???

-Dave

I think it means one of two things... first, I may have something munged up in the script that reads the stats file, or second, the stats export I used is 'new' and those 12 have dropped below 100k, just not reflected in the top user list. If you're a betting man, put your money on the first choice. I'll look it over and see if got something messed up in my cackle-ations.
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Message 1010497 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 0:22:39 UTC - in response to Message 1010496.  


I think it means one of two things...
... I'll look it over and see if got something messed up in my cackle-ations.


Ok, no problem, just wondering if I was reading it incorrectly!

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Message 1010499 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 0:37:19 UTC - in response to Message 1010497.  


I think it means one of two things...
... I'll look it over and see if got something messed up in my cackle-ations.


Ok, no problem, just wondering if I was reading it incorrectly!

I hope you bet on option #1. I *think* the chart is accurate now. Thanks for pointing out that error!
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Message 1010525 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 2:29:57 UTC - in response to Message 1010480.  


There's another chart I just tossed together from data from the SETI user stats file. Show different "levels" of RAC and the number of users at those levels.... too big to display here, so here's the link to that one.


you the man

Thats just what I had in mind

any chance of adding it permanently to your pages
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Message 1010531 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 2:50:50 UTC - in response to Message 1010525.  


any chance of adding it permanently to your pages

I think I can handle that.... by the way, I changed it a little (same link)... don't know if it's for better or worse... but I changed the low end to be <1 and >1. To me it made sense, see whachewthink.
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Message 1010560 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 3:59:33 UTC - in response to Message 1010531.  


any chance of adding it permanently to your pages

I think I can handle that.... by the way, I changed it a little (same link)... don't know if it's for better or worse... but I changed the low end to be <1 and >1. To me it made sense, see whachewthink.


I think the red >1 could be left out Those are basically inactive user accounts
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any chance of adding it permanently to your pages

I think I can handle that.... by the way, I changed it a little (same link)... don't know if it's for better or worse... but I changed the low end to be <1 and >1. To me it made sense, see whachewthink.


I think the red >1 could be left out Those are basically inactive user accounts

Even the red <1 category probably does include some active accounts. Looking through host statistics at Boincstats recently I noted there were over 100 hosts which had received credit within the last 30 days but less than 0.5 credits. Given a low resource share a host might only get 1 task in a month and have it go result_overflow and earn some small fraction of a credit.

OTOH, a text line simply giving the total number of users would make the <1 graph bar unnecessary and allow the other bars to scale up.

The sequence of bars is uneven. I think a 1, 3, 10 sequence all the way would be better. And that would suggest adding the >300000 bar with a count of 1 currently per Top participants.
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Message 1010795 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 16:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 1010789.  


any chance of adding it permanently to your pages

I think I can handle that.... by the way, I changed it a little (same link)... don't know if it's for better or worse... but I changed the low end to be <1 and >1. To me it made sense, see whachewthink.


I think the red >1 could be left out Those are basically inactive user accounts

Even the red <1 category probably does include some active accounts. Looking through host statistics at Boincstats recently I noted there were over 100 hosts which had received credit within the last 30 days but less than 0.5 credits. Given a low resource share a host might only get 1 task in a month and have it go result_overflow and earn some small fraction of a credit.

OTOH, a text line simply giving the total number of users would make the <1 graph bar unnecessary and allow the other bars to scale up.

The sequence of bars is uneven. I think a 1, 3, 10 sequence all the way would be better. And that would suggest adding the >300000 bar with a count of 1 currently per Top participants.
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Or just to keep things pretty, set it at 250,000.
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Message 1010798 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 16:11:33 UTC - in response to Message 1010795.  

The sequence of bars is uneven. I think a 1, 3, 10 sequence all the way would be better. And that would suggest adding the >300000 bar with a count of 1 currently per Top participants.
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Or just to keep things pretty, set it at 250,000.

That wouldn't fit into the logarithmic scale (scaling?) Joe suggests.

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Message 1010972 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 19:46:19 UTC - in response to Message 1010789.  

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Even the red <1 category probably does include some active accounts. Looking through host statistics at Boincstats recently I noted there were over 100 hosts which had received credit within the last 30 days but less than 0.5 credits. Given a low resource share a host might only get 1 task in a month and have it go result_overflow and earn some small fraction of a credit.

OTOH, a text line simply giving the total number of users would make the <1 graph bar unnecessary and allow the other bars to scale up.

The sequence of bars is uneven. I think a 1, 3, 10 sequence all the way would be better. And that would suggest adding the >300000 bar with a count of 1 currently per Top participants.
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this is based on users not hosts and the few in the less than 1 per day
I feel is not needed as the chart was to show top crunchers contribution not every contributed unit

Yes the sequence is uneven but so is the distribution
1,2,5 is more than sufficient
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Message 1010983 - Posted: 2 Jul 2010, 20:14:31 UTC

Patterns I have been watching( sorry no links) are.. was approx. 175,000 active, dropping recently to 172,000...
new users.. was over 300/day dropping near 200.

I have not found averages.. but I am sure they are over all dropping, in spite of people buying new and better systems as time goes on.

There might be problems with the "floggings will continue until morale improves"
principles that some seem to promote.

I realize there has to be a balance.. there will always be problems. I only hope that cooler heads prevail.

And loss of mega crunchers... can really hurt things in the long run. Yes there will be more.. but will they come in faster than they get chased out?


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And loss of mega crunchers... can really hurt things in the long run. Yes there will be more.. but will they come in faster than they get chased out?

Thats what I am wondering.
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Patterns I have been watching( sorry no links) are.. was approx. 175,000 active, dropping recently to 172,000...
new users.. was over 300/day dropping near 200.

I have not found averages.. but I am sure they are over all dropping, in spite of people buying new and better systems as time goes on.

There might be problems with the "floggings will continue until morale improves"
principles that some seem to promote.

I realize there has to be a balance.. there will always be problems. I only hope that cooler heads prevail.

And loss of mega crunchers... can really hurt things in the long run. Yes there will be more.. but will they come in faster than they get chased out?



This whole thread and sead chart is to hale the top cruncnhers
of active users WHO do the majority of the work
Yes what every body does counts but it's far time to acknowledge those doing the most work for seti@HOME



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This whole thread and said chart is to hale the top cruncnhers
of active users WHO do the majority of the work
Yes what every body does counts but it's far time to acknowledge those doing the most work for seti@HOME

Kinda funny they are the ones who are having the biggest problems with not being able to get enough work right now, eh?
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Message 1011124 - Posted: 3 Jul 2010, 1:58:15 UTC - in response to Message 1010972.  

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Yes the sequence is uneven but so is the distribution
1,2,5 is more than sufficient

Yes, if that were used for all columns I'd agree. But it would need 17 columns for 1 through 200000 rather than the 14 now or 12 needed by the 1,3,10 sequence. Not a big deal, any way Scarecrow likes it is fine with me. It's a whole lot easier than digging similar information out from Boincstats or other stats sites, and since I'm on dial-up downloading the full project stats dumps is impractical.
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Message 1011294 - Posted: 3 Jul 2010, 16:51:40 UTC - in response to Message 1011124.  

My page for scarecrows chart

http://bobspc.dyndns.org/Crunchers.htm
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Message 1011319 - Posted: 3 Jul 2010, 18:36:27 UTC - in response to Message 1011294.  

My page for scarecrows chart

http://bobspc.dyndns.org/Crunchers.htm



Now if we could show the number of units returned by each bar of crunchers
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This whole thread and said chart is to hale the top cruncnhers
of active users WHO do the majority of the work
Yes what every body does counts but it's far time to acknowledge those doing the most work for seti@HOME

Kinda funny they are the ones who are having the biggest problems with not being able to get enough work right now, eh?


I am not laughing.




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