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Message 1009422 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 18:42:13 UTC - in response to Message 1009409.  
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I am paying 0.16 euros/kWh taxes included, in Italy.
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Message 1009423 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 18:42:46 UTC

Where I live it is pretty cheap as it is mostly Hydro...

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Message 1009434 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 18:56:53 UTC
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I would humbly suggest that a "farm" be classified as 6 or more computers left on 24/7 doing nothing other than crunching various Boinc projects.


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Message 1009443 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 19:11:02 UTC - in response to Message 1009423.  
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Where I live it is pretty cheap as it is mostly Hydro...

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:P That's cheap! I should rent a remote 20U rack over there and run Seti :P
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Message 1009444 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 19:11:21 UTC

What no farms in a PC?

That would be two or more gpus per PC, Mine will have 10 gpus and 2 psus.
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Message 1009460 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 19:22:15 UTC - in response to Message 1009444.  
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What no farms in a PC?

That would be two or more gpus per PC, Mine will have 10 gpus and 2 psus.


That should give a nice output :P

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Message 1009481 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 19:40:51 UTC

I would say when you start centering your hardware around SETI, you are on your way to growing a "FARM".. The first high speed GPU,probably not. When you start getting special power supplies, special cooling, multiple GPU's just to process SETI... Yeah I would call that a farm.

Is it dead? When the last one of those pulls the plug I would say yes. Until then, no. Recent problems seem to have kicked up a bit of a dust bowl.. The
time, dedication, money, and electic bills are not properly respected, and probably never will be.

There is no one outside of crunchers and seti staff that would likely care,
and even among those there are a lot of people that give the farmers flack.
The fact they keep going shows great courage, dedication, and perhaps a bit of
mental instability.

Few seem to realize how much of the load they are carrying here. But my completely unmathematical look at the statistics pages show there are fewer
heavy crunchers than most would like to believe.. and the few farmers are doing a lot more to advance the science than most seem to give credit for.

The GPU's are causing a revolution in computing. And the megacrunchers are leading the way. Remember when not so long ago when a nice GPU gave really cool and fast graphics.. and that was about it?

I do hope Phud and others use their farms to heat their homes in the winter.
The summer.. Hmm some might have to switch to solar in the future. ;)

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Message 1009511 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 21:42:29 UTC

Not over, as such. More like, 'leaner, greener and smarter'. I've found it cheaper, running my fairly modest, but OCd E6550 (2.667 GHZ as opposed to standard 2.33 GHZ), than it was to run my old 3.2GHz Intel P4. In fact, I can run this one, more often than the P4 set-up, and not notice any additional cost. Needless to say, it runs a lot cooler, too. The P4s were pretty good CPUs, but the inherent problems with heat generation, were probably, at least, partly responsible for Intel having a little re-think.



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Message 1009512 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 22:01:49 UTC

Agricultural farms often produce more than one crop, I see no sense in restricting the definition to S@H only or BOINC only.

My idea would be something like:

1 compute resource = flowerpot
2 -> 4 = planter
5 -> 29 = garden
30+ = farm
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Message 1009513 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 22:04:17 UTC - in response to Message 1009512.  
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Agricultural farms often produce more than one crop, I see no sense in restricting the definition to S@H only or BOINC only.

My idea would be something like:

1 compute resource = flowerpot
2 -> 4 = planter
5 -> 29 = garden
30+ = farm
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You mean to say that I am getting 100k RAC out of a planter? LOL.
Must be the fertilizer.
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Message 1009519 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 22:51:11 UTC - in response to Message 1009513.  

I think under Josephs numbers, each box of yours might contain a planter to small garden.

I do know that old 2 core AMD that was about to get powered down of mine... once I got the GPU online went from around 200 rac to around 1600. that old nvidia found new life. That took basically disabling the driver of the onboard video to get boinc to "SEE" the nvidia board.

Neither computer is dedicated seti or boinc though. But I can HEAR the additional strain it puts on them. And hardware expenses just for SETI has been zero so far. Just as well. Times are .. lean.

but even at 1 per core, and 1-4 per GPU for the added output... I think it is in the window box territory. 1 per cpu and 1 per gpu would still make 4... in 2 cases. but again, nothing dedicated.

Definately not a "Farm" here.
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Message 1009521 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 22:55:49 UTC - in response to Message 1009519.  

I think under Josephs numbers, each box of yours might contain a planter to small garden.

I do know that old 2 core AMD that was about to get powered down of mine... once I got the GPU online went from around 200 rac to around 1600. that old nvidia found new life. That took basically disabling the driver of the onboard video to get boinc to "SEE" the nvidia board.

Neither computer is dedicated seti or boinc though. But I can HEAR the additional strain it puts on them. And hardware expenses just for SETI has been zero so far. Just as well. Times are .. lean.

but even at 1 per core, and 1-4 per GPU for the added output... I think it is in the window box territory. 1 per cpu and 1 per gpu would still make 4... in 2 cases. but again, nothing dedicated.

Definately not a "Farm" here.

I missed the part about 'computing resource'...
If you count all cores and GPU's, I would have 22 online right now.

Upgrades me to garden status.

And I suppose those that crunch Seti on work computers could be called 'sharecroppers'...LOL.
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Message 1009522 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 22:57:40 UTC

30+ = farm


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Message 1009524 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 23:01:21 UTC

if you count each "core" in those GPU's.. You all have the local ag. department tied up.
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Message 1009530 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 23:28:25 UTC
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I have 17 cores, including GPUs in my smallholding and an RAC of 271K and rising to 290+K.
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Message 1009532 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 23:36:24 UTC
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Current 0,225 € / ~ 0.28 US$ / kWh in Germany.

Because of this I needed to switch off my ~ 700 W GPU machine (AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE & 4x OCed GTX260-216 (~ 65,000 RAC*)) -> ~ 114,- € / ~ 140.- US$ / month.

The Intel Core2 Duo E7600 & OCed GTX260-216 need ~ 250 W -> ~ 40,50 € / ~ 50.0 US$ / month. So current still affordable. ~ 18,000 RAC*.

If my earnings increase, maybe will switch on again the GPU machine.


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Message 1009533 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 23:39:46 UTC
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Here is another BOINC crunching colleague with 3 rigs totalling 12 cores, including GPUs, with an RAC of over 447K. Again just over a plant pot. Indeed many over in these other projects run about the same number of cores/GPUs (say 15 to 25) and deliver RACs between 1.5 million and 1.7 million. I wish I had that power, and power bill (I wish I could afford them).
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Message 1009536 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 23:43:30 UTC - in response to Message 1009533.  

Here is another BOINC crunching colleague with 3 rigs totalling 12 cores, including GPUs, with an RAC of over 447K. Again just over a plant pot.

Well....
Let's just remember that my 100k is Seti only.....
(No offense to 'other' projects...LOL).
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Message 1009538 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 23:46:32 UTC

Well, I have a 6 core processor, and two GTX 480's with 480 cores each. I even water them night and day, so you may as well sign me up for a farm with a rig of one.

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Message 1009540 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 23:51:08 UTC - in response to Message 1009536.  
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Here is another BOINC crunching colleague with 3 rigs totalling 12 cores, including GPUs, with an RAC of over 447K. Again just over a plant pot.

Well....
Let's just remember that my 100k is Seti only.....
(No offense to 'other' projects...LOL).

None are taken, to the Xtreme or otherwise. Only 14 including the gpus for here, If I went all single pcb on the 295 cards, It would be 16 though and might be closer to MS, But I'd have to get a 1200w-1250w psu instead of a 950w psu.

Edit: So mine's a Garden no matter what, But a fast one in any case.

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