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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I am paying 0.16 euros/kWh taxes included, in Italy. Tullio Latest 3 months bill 82 euros, with a 24/7 SUN WS, no graphic board. |
hiamps Send message Joined: 23 May 99 Posts: 4292 Credit: 72,971,319 RAC: 0 |
Where I live it is pretty cheap as it is mostly Hydro... RESIDENTIAL 5.4 cents per KWH plus a $5.50 monthly service charge. Official Abuser of Boinc Buttons... And no good credit hound! |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
I would humbly suggest that a "farm" be classified as 6 or more computers left on 24/7 doing nothing other than crunching various Boinc projects. <<<<<<------sobbing. |
TheFreshPrince a.k.a. BlueTooth76 Send message Joined: 4 Jun 99 Posts: 210 Credit: 10,315,944 RAC: 0 |
Where I live it is pretty cheap as it is mostly Hydro... :P That's cheap! I should rent a remote 20U rack over there and run Seti :P Rig name: "x6Crunchy" OS: Win 7 x64 MB: Asus M4N98TD EVO CPU: AMD X6 1055T 2.8(1,2v) GPU: 2x Asus GTX560ti Member of: Dutch Power Cows |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 66213 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
What no farms in a PC? That would be two or more gpus per PC, Mine will have 10 gpus and 2 psus. Savoir-Faire is everywhere! The T1 Trust, T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, America's First HST |
TheFreshPrince a.k.a. BlueTooth76 Send message Joined: 4 Jun 99 Posts: 210 Credit: 10,315,944 RAC: 0 |
What no farms in a PC? That should give a nice output :P I hope my Intel Q9550 Quad CPU retuns soon from RMA. Never before I had an Intel CPU that died but this one did, last week... RIP... Now crunching on an E8400 Core2Duo... Rig name: "x6Crunchy" OS: Win 7 x64 MB: Asus M4N98TD EVO CPU: AMD X6 1055T 2.8(1,2v) GPU: 2x Asus GTX560ti Member of: Dutch Power Cows |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
I would say when you start centering your hardware around SETI, you are on your way to growing a "FARM".. The first high speed GPU,probably not. When you start getting special power supplies, special cooling, multiple GPU's just to process SETI... Yeah I would call that a farm. Is it dead? When the last one of those pulls the plug I would say yes. Until then, no. Recent problems seem to have kicked up a bit of a dust bowl.. The time, dedication, money, and electic bills are not properly respected, and probably never will be. There is no one outside of crunchers and seti staff that would likely care, and even among those there are a lot of people that give the farmers flack. The fact they keep going shows great courage, dedication, and perhaps a bit of mental instability. Few seem to realize how much of the load they are carrying here. But my completely unmathematical look at the statistics pages show there are fewer heavy crunchers than most would like to believe.. and the few farmers are doing a lot more to advance the science than most seem to give credit for. The GPU's are causing a revolution in computing. And the megacrunchers are leading the way. Remember when not so long ago when a nice GPU gave really cool and fast graphics.. and that was about it? I do hope Phud and others use their farms to heat their homes in the winter. The summer.. Hmm some might have to switch to solar in the future. ;) Janice |
Iona Send message Joined: 12 Jul 07 Posts: 790 Credit: 22,438,118 RAC: 0 |
Not over, as such. More like, 'leaner, greener and smarter'. I've found it cheaper, running my fairly modest, but OCd E6550 (2.667 GHZ as opposed to standard 2.33 GHZ), than it was to run my old 3.2GHz Intel P4. In fact, I can run this one, more often than the P4 set-up, and not notice any additional cost. Needless to say, it runs a lot cooler, too. The P4s were pretty good CPUs, but the inherent problems with heat generation, were probably, at least, partly responsible for Intel having a little re-think. Don't take life too seriously, as you'll never come out of it alive! |
Josef W. Segur Send message Joined: 30 Oct 99 Posts: 4504 Credit: 1,414,761 RAC: 0 |
Agricultural farms often produce more than one crop, I see no sense in restricting the definition to S@H only or BOINC only. My idea would be something like: 1 compute resource = flowerpot 2 -> 4 = planter 5 -> 29 = garden 30+ = farm Joe |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Agricultural farms often produce more than one crop, I see no sense in restricting the definition to S@H only or BOINC only. You mean to say that I am getting 100k RAC out of a planter? LOL. Must be the fertilizer. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
I think under Josephs numbers, each box of yours might contain a planter to small garden. I do know that old 2 core AMD that was about to get powered down of mine... once I got the GPU online went from around 200 rac to around 1600. that old nvidia found new life. That took basically disabling the driver of the onboard video to get boinc to "SEE" the nvidia board. Neither computer is dedicated seti or boinc though. But I can HEAR the additional strain it puts on them. And hardware expenses just for SETI has been zero so far. Just as well. Times are .. lean. but even at 1 per core, and 1-4 per GPU for the added output... I think it is in the window box territory. 1 per cpu and 1 per gpu would still make 4... in 2 cases. but again, nothing dedicated. Definately not a "Farm" here. Janice |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
I think under Josephs numbers, each box of yours might contain a planter to small garden. I missed the part about 'computing resource'... If you count all cores and GPU's, I would have 22 online right now. Upgrades me to garden status. And I suppose those that crunch Seti on work computers could be called 'sharecroppers'...LOL. "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
nemesis Send message Joined: 12 Oct 99 Posts: 1408 Credit: 35,074,350 RAC: 0 |
30+ = farm <<<<<------weeping |
soft^spirit Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 6497 Credit: 34,134,168 RAC: 0 |
if you count each "core" in those GPU's.. You all have the local ag. department tied up. Janice |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
I have 17 cores, including GPUs in my smallholding and an RAC of 271K and rising to 290+K. It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
Dirk Sadowski Send message Joined: 6 Apr 07 Posts: 7105 Credit: 147,663,825 RAC: 5 |
Current 0,225 € / ~ 0.28 US$ / kWh in Germany. Because of this I needed to switch off my ~ 700 W GPU machine (AMD Phenom II X4 940 BE & 4x OCed GTX260-216 (~ 65,000 RAC*)) -> ~ 114,- € / ~ 140.- US$ / month. The Intel Core2 Duo E7600 & OCed GTX260-216 need ~ 250 W -> ~ 40,50 € / ~ 50.0 US$ / month. So current still affordable. ~ 18,000 RAC*. If my earnings increase, maybe will switch on again the GPU machine. [* SETI@home RAC] [€ / US$ - today's exchange rate] |
John Clark Send message Joined: 29 Sep 99 Posts: 16515 Credit: 4,418,829 RAC: 0 |
Here is another BOINC crunching colleague with 3 rigs totalling 12 cores, including GPUs, with an RAC of over 447K. Again just over a plant pot. Indeed many over in these other projects run about the same number of cores/GPUs (say 15 to 25) and deliver RACs between 1.5 million and 1.7 million. I wish I had that power, and power bill (I wish I could afford them). It's good to be back amongst friends and colleagues |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51477 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Here is another BOINC crunching colleague with 3 rigs totalling 12 cores, including GPUs, with an RAC of over 447K. Again just over a plant pot. Well.... Let's just remember that my 100k is Seti only..... (No offense to 'other' projects...LOL). "Time is simply the mechanism that keeps everything from happening all at once." |
SciManStev Send message Joined: 20 Jun 99 Posts: 6657 Credit: 121,090,076 RAC: 0 |
Well, I have a 6 core processor, and two GTX 480's with 480 cores each. I even water them night and day, so you may as well sign me up for a farm with a rig of one. Steve Warning, addicted to SETI crunching! Crunching as a member of GPU Users Group. GPUUG Website |
zoom3+1=4 Send message Joined: 30 Nov 03 Posts: 66213 Credit: 55,293,173 RAC: 49 |
Here is another BOINC crunching colleague with 3 rigs totalling 12 cores, including GPUs, with an RAC of over 447K. Again just over a plant pot. None are taken, to the Xtreme or otherwise. Only 14 including the gpus for here, If I went all single pcb on the 295 cards, It would be 16 though and might be closer to MS, But I'd have to get a 1200w-1250w psu instead of a 950w psu. Edit: So mine's a Garden no matter what, But a fast one in any case. @ Steve: Hi there! Savoir-Faire is everywhere! The T1 Trust, T1 Class 4-4-4-4 #5550, America's First HST |
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