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The Genius of doing nothing
by Matt Giwer, © 2009 [July 22]

If the world is warming (don't substitute that climate change crap -- you said warming you meant warming) then why have the last three years and particularly this year been so cold? Yes, I know one year or even three years do not make a trend. I say we should do nothing about it. I base that statement on the long term trend.

It is not just my idea of the long term trend. I base it upon the statements of the experts on the long term trends who say the earth is warming. And I have been reading statements from the experts in global warming for more than twenty years. (Time sure does fly when you are doing nothing.)

It is a fact that the experts told us in the late 1980s that if something was not done to change the long term trend then in ten years then warming would be irreversible.

There you have it. Nothing was done in those ten years. When the year 2000 rolled around the trend became irreversible. Nothing can be done now that can change a thing. I have it on the word of the best authorities on global warming.

Not only that but every year since the late 1980s we have been told we must do something to stop it immediately else all is lost. So even if the experts were wrong in 1989 they have been wrong in every year thereafter. In that I see the real trend.

Right now we are being told now we have only ten years left. Twenty years of being completely wrong and suddenly they get it right? And it is still ten years in the future? A cynical person might suggest that warming will become irreversible ten years in the future no matter what year in the future. The irreversible point will always remain ten years ahead of us like a donkey following a carrot just out of his reach.

Twenty years of predictions have shown that doing nothing at all keeps the point of irreversible change ten years away. In 1989 the irreversible year was 1999. 1999 came and passed. In 1999 it was 2009. 2009 came and is almost passed and it is still ten year away in 2019. That is the trend. The irreversible year is always ten years in the future.

The genius of doing nothing has saved us. Lets not rock the boat by doing something.

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If the average temperature of Earth is, let's say 15C for arguments sake, why is it so darned cold at the North Pole?

That seems to be the argument you are making.

So, I suppose you should just ignore the melting glaciers and polar regions.
Ignore them, even though the greatest non-believers of global warming such as Stephen Harper (Canadian Prime Minister)and his fellow right wing wingnuts are striving to claim ownership of Arctic shipping routes that strangely enough seem to be open even during the North American winters now.

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If the average temperature of Earth is, let's say 15C for arguments sake, why is it so darned cold at the North Pole?

That seems to be the argument you are making.

So, I suppose you should just ignore the melting glaciers and polar regions.
Ignore them, even though the greatest non-believers of global warming such as Stephen Harper (Canadian Prime Minister)and his fellow right wing wingnuts are striving to claim ownership of Arctic shipping routes that strangely enough seem to be open even during the North American winters now.

Ignore? No indeed!

I assume they are really happening because they are telling the truth. And because they are telling the truth it was too late to do anything to about it ten years ago in the year 2000.

So buy an SUV, light up the barbie, and live it up while there is still something left.

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You ignorant, disgusting buffoon.

Look what people like you have done to New Zealands glaciers!


What do I have to get you to do before any sane person can convince you of this enviromental, ecological disaster??? Do I have to make you read Retreat of glaciers since 1850 ten times over? Browsing the images double that?

So it's just a coincidence that since the 1800's (note: when the Industrial Revolution BEGAN - ever since we've released greenhouse gases, whether it be Carbon Dioxide, Methane, Nitrous Oxide, Chlorofluorocarbons etc, not to mention many other deadly, toxic and polluting chemicals) the global average temperature rose?

So you define climate change (also note: climatology is the study of temperatures, humidity, wind, particulate concentration over LONG timescales) as a 3 year stint where it gets a bit damn colder and you have a whinge about it.

Study the hockey stick closer. I see a sharp hill, after a nice gentle 900 year stoll.

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You ignorant, disgusting buffoon.

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Study the hockey stick closer. I see a sharp hill, after a nice gentle 900 year stoll.

How is it ignorant to believe the experts who said that after the year 2000 it was irreversible and nothing could be done to stop it?

I am quoting the experts here. What is your problem with my believing what they have said?

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You ignorant, disgusting buffoon.

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Study the hockey stick closer. I see a sharp hill, after a nice gentle 900 year stoll.

How is it ignorant to believe the experts who said that after the year 2000 it was irreversible and nothing could be done to stop it?

I am quoting the experts here. What is your problem with my believing what they have said?

Don't deflect. Answer my questions.

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- Luke.

As far as i can tell, there's been no deflecting. Opening statement quotes the arguement. 'Experts' have been saying every 10 years that we have 10 years to act. It's been 20 years and we still have 10 years to act. That is self explanatory Luke.

The arguement is, when do we start believing the experts? They've been weighing in with their expertise, as Matt has stated, since the 1980's. They've been wrong apparently since the 1980's with their predictions.

So why give any creedence to what they are saying now? We'll always have 10 years to act...according to the global warming experts.

edit:spelling.

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You ignorant, disgusting buffoon.

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Study the hockey stick closer. I see a sharp hill, after a nice gentle 900 year stoll.

How is it ignorant to believe the experts who said that after the year 2000 it was irreversible and nothing could be done to stop it?

I am quoting the experts here. What is your problem with my believing what they have said?

Don't deflect. Answer my questions.

You ask questions which need no answers. The experts declared there was nothing that could be done to stop it after the years 2000. That is what they said. I believe them. Go get an SUV and enjoy life while you still can. NOTHING can be done to stop it. It is already ten years passed the last possible date to do anything.

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As far as i can tell, there's been no deflecting. Opening statement quotes the arguement. 'Experts' have been saying every 10 years that we have 10 years to act. It's been 20 years and we still have 10 years to act. That is self explanatory Luke.

The arguement is, when do we start believing the experts? They've been weighing in with their expertise, as Matt has stated, since the 1980's. They've been wrong apparently since the 1980's with their predictions.

So why give any creedence to what they are saying now? We'll always have 10 years to act...according to the global warming experts.

edit:spelling.

I have another fun one. Izziehuggers are always screaming about Iran (and previously Iraq) getting nukes. They are always saying like in 2, 3 or 5 years Iran|q will have a nuke. I found the oldest hysterical claim about Iran from 1990. And Iran is still 2, 3, or 5 years away. But the claim is always true so they have had nukes since 1992.

A strange thing is there is never a 4 year prediction. It is always 2, 3, or 5. I realize 4 is considered unlucky in the far east but I don't think that is a good explanation.

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Don't deflect. Answer my questions.

Climate deniers have been misquoting, quoting out of context, and moving their own goal posts and the goal posts for everyone else for years.

I would guess that they are all too old and past it to care anything other than for their own easy comforts and peace of mind for their last few days.

Perhaps they also have a vindictive streak in that they wish to doom everyone else with them.

Selfish? Or criminally insane?

Unfortunately, there's a noisy few of 'em!


There's even a new science now that is studying the reactions of the Climate Deniers. The industrial FUD that is another phenomenon hard on the heals of the tobacco industry FUD is a continuing area of ignominious note.


Or is this just the usual mindless Matt-G trolling?

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So why give any creedence to what they are saying now? We'll always have 10 years to act...according to the global warming experts.

OK, from a PM-prod...

So... Is the claim now that Matt-G now believes that Man-made Global Warming - Climate Change is happening?


As for the "10 year" claims... 10 years to what and really by 'experts'? Or is that instead just the usual sensationalism of the press?

As time passes and we continue to pollute, we just make things ever more difficult for ourselves for the future. It's your choice as to what level of difficulty you want to put whatever timestamp on.

Of course, if you're happy to forever move the goal posts, you can have a never ending series of ten-year-goals...


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Ok, i'll set your ass straight ML1. You want to make it public, and not a private affair. Since 1989, experts have been claiming we have 10 years to act, from 1989, to stop global warming. After that the current effects are irreversible. YOU GET THAT???? 1989, science says we've GONE. NO RETURN. KAPUT.

So, between 1989 and 1999 there were few/if any (an actual increase in emissions) reductions in Greenhouse emissions, from 1989 to 1999 the effects of what we've done so far are IRREVERSIBLE (according to global climate change scientists). So, according to the Global Experts that tell us we have YET another 10 years until the point of no return, those SAME EXPERTS said in 1989 we had 10 years until the point of no return.

So, going on what the EXPERTS say, no matter what we did with carbon emissions, climate change was irreversibla from approx the year 2000. That was predicted by the EXPERTS in let's say 1990.

Why should i not believe the scientists claims? After all, they're paid to do the science, not theorize.

The SAME EXPERTS you quote your data from today, said it was IRREVERSIBLE 20 years ago. Yet we still have 10 years.

Fbomb, you don't need to be Einstein to draw a conclusion from that.

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ML1, you are a deadset idealist, and base none of your data on scientific FACTS from the EXPERTS and their data.

20 years ago we had 10 years. No more, no less. Scientific fact. Then global warming was irreversible. Scientific fact. Geez, unless those same scientists that predicted that have a new prediction!!

Well, Fbomb me. We've got ANOTHER 10 years. That'll take us to, say, 2010.

But PRAISE THE LORD AND HALLELUJAH. WE ARE DELIVERED, we've got ANOTHER 10 years to reverse it. But Fbomb me, the SAME scientists predict that, that gave us 10 years 20 years ago!!

Christ, im going to go into fortune telling: I predict, in the year 2015, we'll have 10 years to stop the effect of global warming. So by 2025, it'll be irreversible.

I'll quote science on that one.

Do i believe the scientists, or the constant corrections to the errors they've made?

I know science is progressive, and errors are made. But to keep making the same error again and again?

Reeks of religion and burying ones head in the sand and hoping. Well, praying.

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According to the SCIENTISTS and their SCIENCE in 1989 the point of no return was 2000, if not a year earlier. Global warming is IRREVERSIBLE from that point.

So, according to the EXPERTS, we are BEYOND the point of no return 10 YEARS ago. But Fbomb, same scientists give us ANOTHER 10 YEARS fromn today?

My common sense isn't flawed, but contradictory claims are.

According to science, it doesn't matter what year we live in. Latest prediction? Fbomb, we've got 10 years to change it. circa 1989.

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Fayvitt,

We all ready are in a snowball effect in my opinion. Just because it's irreversible doesn't necessarily mean we will see the consequences immediately.

The ocean currently absorbs about ~50% of all our CO2 emissions. The rest either get absorbed in the soil, trees etc. or is left unchecked.

Also funny how the oceans see to be acidifying, the more CO2 it absorbs... the 'ocean' is becoming more Calcium Carbonate than it is Dihydrogen Monoxide.

And once the oceans become void of nearly all useful life, only then will we self-important humans notice we have screwed the planet and ourselves.

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increased CO2 will cause algae blooms which we are already having. Algae blooms lead to plankton blooms which again we are seeing

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Don't deflect. Answer my questions.

Climate deniers have been misquoting, quoting out of context, and moving their own goal posts and the goal posts for everyone else for years.

I would guess that they are all too old and past it to care anything other than for their own easy comforts and peace of mind for their last few days.

Perhaps they also have a vindictive streak in that they wish to doom everyone else with them.

Selfish? Or criminally insane?

Unfortunately, there's a noisy few of 'em!


There's even a new science now that is studying the reactions of the Climate Deniers. The industrial FUD that is another phenomenon hard on the heals of the tobacco industry FUD is a continuing area of ignominious note.


Or is this just the usual mindless Matt-G trolling?

It's our only world.
Martin

I am misquoting no one. I am mis-stating no one. It was in fact too late to do anything about global warming in 2001. That is what the experts said.

Why do you not believe them?

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So why give any creedence to what they are saying now? We'll always have 10 years to act...according to the global warming experts.

OK, from a PM-prod...

So... Is the claim now that Matt-G now believes that Man-made Global Warming - Climate Change is happening?


As for the "10 year" claims... 10 years to what and really by 'experts'? Or is that instead just the usual sensationalism of the press?

As time passes and we continue to pollute, we just make things ever more difficult for ourselves for the future. It's your choice as to what level of difficulty you want to put whatever timestamp on.

Of course, if you're happy to forever move the goal posts, you can have a never ending series of ten-year-goals...


It's our only world.
Martin

Let me get this straight. I do not want to be accused of misquoting you or misstating your position in the future.

You are saying only the material I quote is due to a sensationalist press and nothing you quote is from this sensationalist press.

Is that an incorrect description of your position? If not would you like to rephrase your position?

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Fayvitt,

We all ready are in a snowball effect in my opinion. Just because it's irreversible doesn't necessarily mean we will see the consequences immediately.

Because it is irreversable there is nothing we can do about it so there is no point in doing anything but preparing for the worst which is at present inevitable.

The ocean currently absorbs about ~50% of all our CO2 emissions. The rest either get absorbed in the soil, trees etc. or is left unchecked.

Also funny how the oceans see to be acidifying, the more CO2 it absorbs... the 'ocean' is becoming more Calcium Carbonate than it is Dihydrogen Monoxide.

And once the oceans become void of nearly all useful life, only then will we self-important humans notice we have screwed the planet and ourselves.

We better start preparing for that as there is nothing that can be done to stop it. All this complaining about the inevitable is a waste of time.

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increased CO2 will cause algae blooms which we are already having. Algae blooms lead to plankton blooms which again we are seeing

Welcome to Bloodworld. That is the way it is going to be from now on. Nothing can be done to stop it. It is irreversable.

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