Is there a way to allow the CPU->GPU rescheduling if you don't have an app_info.xml file? Can you create a minimal app_info.xml that contains only the one alias, or do I need to somehow get the entries for the rest of the (stock) apps as well?

-Scott

I'm going to just use the manual method for now, one-off. Get the app_info stuff sorted out tomorrow.

-S

If you have already (in the past) downloaded CPU work direct from Berkeley, you should have the stock CPU application and information about how to use it (<app_version>) already on your machine. In that case, ReSchedule should work.

But if you have only ever downloaded GPU work since the last time you installed/reset SETI, BOINC won't know what to do with the rescheduled work, and will ditch it.

Most people round here who get this interested have already installed an optimised CPU app, because it makes a huge difference (improvement) in processing efficiency. So they have an app_info file already, and the question has never really arisen before. You could be the first to try it!

Good morning again.

Everything seems to be running well as of this morning. I had to do a dance to get the system to see that the file was there, without it restarting the download and over-writing the file. I also upgraded to 6.10.58.

I finished my first GTX 480 CUDA task about 2 hrs ago. They are completing in about 8 min and 46 sec! Is that about right or are these the same error'ed results I have been reading about? If the results are legit I may need to pick up an AMD board and see how it compares. I must say that that is a pretty fine performance increase.

Take care, have a good day and thanks for the help getting over the hurdle.

Rich
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Good morning Rich-E,
Everything looks fine as far as your Fermi card. You had one -9 that I saw but it was legitimate, the rest I checked seemed to be good to go.

One thing I would like to recommend is to get your I7 optimized. This is your speed now..18,321.07 17,911.41 for a .43 midrange WU. My little E5400 turns in times like this...10,372.31 9,205.35 on a .426 angle range. Once you get optimized you should leave me in the dust.

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Good morning Rich-E,
Everything looks fine as far as your Fermi card. You had one -9 that I saw but it was legitimate, the rest I checked seemed to be good to go.

One thing I would like to recommend is to get your I7 optimized. This is your speed now..18,321.07 17,911.41 for a .43 midrange WU. My little E5400 turns in times like this...10,372.31 9,205.35 on a .426 angle range. Once you get optimized you should leave me in the dust.

There seem to be many different threads on this out there, and I don't want to mess up my cache with the long outage coming up. Could you point me to a canonical README thread that goes over all the ups and downs that may be encountered when installing optimized apps? (I like to be prepared).

Thanks!
-Scott

If you have already (in the past) downloaded CPU work direct from Berkeley, you should have the stock CPU application and information about how to use it (<app_version>) already on your machine. In that case, ReSchedule should work.

But if you have only ever downloaded GPU work since the last time you installed/reset SETI, BOINC won't know what to do with the rescheduled work, and will ditch it.

Most people round here who get this interested have already installed an optimised CPU app, because it makes a huge difference (improvement) in processing efficiency. So they have an app_info file already, and the question has never really arisen before. You could be the first to try it!

It looks like the info that would get stored in app_info.xml (if I had optimized apps) is currently in client_state.xml. I plan to copy the follow app_version section, changing only the plan_class to read "cuda" instead of "cuda_fermi". Look OK to everyone?

<app_version>
    <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
    <version_num>610</version_num>
    <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
    <avg_ncpus>0.714854</avg_ncpus>
    <max_ncpus>0.714854</max_ncpus>
    <flops>267081085618.626400</flops>
    <plan_class>cuda_fermi</plan_class>
    <api_version>6.3.22</api_version>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>setiathome_6.10_windows_intelx86__cuda_fermi.exe</file_name>
        <main_program/>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</file_name>
        <open_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</open_name>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>seti_609.jpg</file_name>
        <open_name>seti_logo</open_name>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>cudart32_30_14.dll</file_name>
        <open_name>cudart.dll</open_name>
        <copy_file/>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>cufft32_30_14.dll</file_name>
        <open_name>cufft.dll</open_name>
        <copy_file/>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_AUTHORS</file_name>
        <open_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_AUTHORS</open_name>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_COPYING</file_name>
        <open_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_COPYING</open_name>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_COPYRIGHT</file_name>
        <open_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_COPYRIGHT</open_name>
    </file_ref>
    <file_ref>
        <file_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_README</file_name>
        <open_name>setiathome-6.10_cuda_README</open_name>
    </file_ref>
    <coproc>
        <type>CUDA</type>
        <count>1.000000</count>
    </coproc>
    <gpu_ram>209715200.000000</gpu_ram>
</app_version>

-Scott

If you have already (in the past) downloaded CPU work direct from Berkeley, you should have the stock CPU application and information about how to use it (<app_version>) already on your machine. In that case, ReSchedule should work.

But if you have only ever downloaded GPU work since the last time you installed/reset SETI, BOINC won't know what to do with the rescheduled work, and will ditch it.

Most people round here who get this interested have already installed an optimised CPU app, because it makes a huge difference (improvement) in processing efficiency. So they have an app_info file already, and the question has never really arisen before. You could be the first to try it!

It looks like the info that would get stored in app_info.xml (if I had optimized apps) is currently in client_state.xml. I plan to copy the follow app_version section, changing only the plan_class to read "cuda" instead of "cuda_fermi". Look OK to everyone?

- Scott

Follow message 1006793 it worked for me.

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Good morning Rich-E,
...

One thing I would like to recommend is to get your I7 optimized. ...

Good morning.

I took a look at the Lunatic's site and I'm willing to put in the time. One overall question though before I start drilling: If I want to run optimized CPU and Fermi, am I loading the Unified Installer and then adding the CUDA Multi-beam, OR is Fermi now included in the Unified Installer OR is Fermi a manual process defined by this thread. I read the FAQ section but I seemed to be having a senior moment this morning.

Thanks and have a good day.

Rich

Good morning Rich-E,
...

One thing I would like to recommend is to get your I7 optimized. ...

Good morning.

I took a look at the Lunatic's site and I'm willing to put in the time. One overall question though before I start drilling: If I want to run optimized CPU and Fermi, am I loading the Unified Installer and then adding the CUDA Multi-beam, OR is Fermi now included in the Unified Installer OR is Fermi a manual process defined by this thread. I read the FAQ section but I seemed to be having a senior moment this morning.

Thanks and have a good day.

Rich

As far as I know you still have to modify the app_info.xml after you used the Lunatics unified-installer if you have a Fermi card.
You also need to download the files that are described in the app_info.xml.

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Good morning Rich-E,
...

One thing I would like to recommend is to get your I7 optimized. ...

Good morning.

I took a look at the Lunatic's site and I'm willing to put in the time. One overall question though before I start drilling: If I want to run optimized CPU and Fermi, am I loading the Unified Installer and then adding the CUDA Multi-beam, OR is Fermi now included in the Unified Installer OR is Fermi a manual process defined by this thread. I read the FAQ section but I seemed to be having a senior moment this morning.

Thanks and have a good day.

Rich

As far as I know you still have to modify the app_info.xml after you used the Lunatics unified-installer if you have a Fermi card.
You also need to download the files that are described in the app_info.xml.

For the files, follow the link (message in this thread):
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=60079&nowrap=true#1014270

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I took a look at the Lunatic's site and I'm willing to put in the time. One overall question though before I start drilling: If I want to run optimized CPU and Fermi, am I loading the Unified Installer and then adding the CUDA Multi-beam, OR is Fermi now included in the Unified Installer OR is Fermi a manual process defined by this thread. I read the FAQ section but I seemed to be having a senior moment this morning.

Thanks and have a good day.

Rich

The Lunatics installer does not yet have a CUDA Fermi application. As you've been running the stock Fermi application you already have the files needed, so you can ignore well-meant advice on where to download them. You will need the other information from the second post in this thread, specifically the information to be added to app_info.xml.

At the beginning of the outage it seems you had 23 CUDA tasks in progress, so I'll assume those have been completed and are ready to upload when the outage ends. That should simplify the transition a bit.

First, shut down BOINC completely and use Task Manager to be sure boinc.exe is no longer running. Then you can use the Lunatics installer and select only the appropriate AK_v8b CPU S@H Enhanced application plus the Astropulse CPU application. After the install finishes, add the Fermi information to app_info.xml. The needed files should still be in place, just check that every filename in the app_info.xml has a matching file. Then you can restart BOINC.

                                                                 Joe

Any alternative download location for setiathome_6.10_windows_intelx86__cuda_fermi.exe?

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Besides my GTX470 I have also a 9800GTX+ that's unused at the moment.

Does anyone know if I can ad the 9800GTX+ to my rig and still use the opt apps?
What changes should be made to the app_info.xml?

I do not have the right PSU at the moment but if you say it should work, I could go out and buy a 850Watt Corsair.

If you say it doesn't work, I could go out and buy a GTX460 for some extra crunching power :P

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Besides my GTX470 I have also a 9800GTX+ that's unused at the moment.

Does anyone know if I can ad the 9800GTX+ to my rig and still use the opt apps?
What changes should be made to the app_info.xml?

I do not have the right PSU at the moment but if you say it should work, I could go out and buy a 850Watt Corsair.

I don't actually know: it would be interesting to find out. My rigs are all on cheap motherboards, bought before CUDA came on the scene, and they each only have a single full-size PCIe slot, so I can't do the full test.

In theory, the v6.10 Fermi application is backwards-compatible and should run on the 9800GTX+. That bit I can test later this afternoon, if you want, before you spend any money. If not, there's certainly a Lunatics application in Beta testing that will work.

So no change needed in app_info. One thing you would need to do is to create/modify a simple cc_config.xml file. That's been covered many times - see message 1015382 for the most recent example.

Ah, yes, the "use all gpus" option! Almost forgot that one.

Tomorrow I'll try my 9800GTX+ in my other PC and see if it works with the Fermi client. If it does, it should be possible to add it to my Crunchy.

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Ah, yes, the "use all gpus" option! Almost forgot that one.

Tomorrow I'll try my 9800GTX+ in my other PC and see if it works with the Fermi client. If it does, it should be possible to add it to my Crunchy.

Switched to the stock v6.10_fermi on host 2901600, which is where my 9800GTX+ is currently living (Windows 7, driver 257.21). First task turned out to be a -9, which was a bit worrying, but all the rest seem to be running OK.

Dropped a few tasks during the transition, because I forgot to change the version numbers in the app_info I nicked from the Fermi host (bit tired at the moment). Apologies to wingmates, will try and de-/re-attach when finished.

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At the beginning of the outage it seems you had 23 CUDA tasks in progress, so I'll assume those have been completed and are ready to upload when the outage ends. That should simplify the transition a bit.

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Thanks for all your help. Everything got installed, all-be-it not in order, I think. I lunged forward when I should have backed up and lost my 23 CUDA results. However new tasks are finishing (I think) even faster than before. I hope they are okay, but I guess I will find out when award time comes. I just need to tweak the setup now to make sure I don't run out of work during the blackout periods.

Thanks to you'all for your help and have a good day.

Rich

Here's a interesting bit of news regarding VLAR units. From tech news 14/7

We are beta testing a change whereby VLAR WUs are not scheduled onto GPUs. We hope to move this to the main project next week

I hope this will be a success

However new tasks are finishing (I think) even faster than before.
Rich

Yes they are completing successfully

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I've finally cracked and ordered a GTX470.
What are the best driver and app versions to install for max. performance out of the beast ?
It will probably be sharing a MoBo with a GTX285. From reading this thread I see that the drivers and apps should be compatible. How will the performance of the 285 be affected compared to the current install of V191.07 + CUDA V6.09 ?

With the new drivers, is it possible to run multiple tasks on the 285 or is that strictly a Fermi trick ?

OS is Win XP-32

Thanks to all the posters on this thread for the help and advice that's been provided and the efforts made to get Fermi cards usable.

T.A.

On my 9800GTX+ (a fast card when it just came out) a WU takes up about 29 minutes average...

Incredible when I look at the GTX470... It does 3 WU's at a time in 21 minutes average...

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