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Message 1164823 - Posted: 23 Oct 2011, 21:07:46 UTC - in response to Message 1163328.  

Yet more ever more deeply researched effects of what we are doing to our world:
Animals 'shrinking' due to climate change


Finally someone has discovered where all those miniature dogs movie stars carry around come from. Another mystery solved through science.

Other than that, Mrs. Kalabash, what is the perfect size for the animals named?

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Message 1164825 - Posted: 23 Oct 2011, 21:21:28 UTC - in response to Message 1163920.  

Now, out of the thousands of reputable science publications covering the issue, can you find any that back up your view?


Can you find a single one you can understand? If so please provide the proper citation.

Do you realize how difficult it is to refrain from a correct description of your posts citing newspapers and magazines as science simply because it would be correctly deleted as so grossly insulting as to be beyond the pale?

I have yet to find a way to correctly and accurately describe your posts in a manner that would not be deleted for multiple rule violations.

It took several posts to establish your total ignorance of science as a fact so that now it merely a recitation of an established fact not a rule violation.

If you could understand science you could read the papers and then LEARN they do not say what journalism majors claim they say. Yet your ignorance leads you to proclaim the scribblings of scientifically ignorant journalism majors are what the scientific papers say.

I am working on a way to describe that fact in a manner which will not violate the rules. It is such a pitifully ignorant position that finding a proper way to express it is very difficult.

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Message 1164826 - Posted: 23 Oct 2011, 21:33:34 UTC - in response to Message 1164075.  

I didn't mean for any of my crackpot theories to be correct or to be taken seriously.


Please. You did well. That was a classic example of correlation without causation. Global warming is also caused by RF transmissions, the absence of pirates and baseball.

The shrinking polar ice cap is causing polar bears to shrink or is it the other way around? I always get them backwards. Shrinking is as shrinking does and they are both white showing a deep connection between the two.

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Message 1164827 - Posted: 23 Oct 2011, 21:41:08 UTC - in response to Message 1164197.  

... CO2 does NOT 'shade' the sun's rays. Hint: Look at the spectrum of sunlight and compare that to the spectrum of what is radiated from the earth...


For the sake of the lazy:

Our sun radiates with most of the radiation energy peaking at around visible wavelengths. Hence why we have evolved to use those wavelengths of light for our sight. Those wavelengths pass through CO2 gas largely undisturbed.

In stark contrast, the wavelengths that are re-radiated from the Earth are strongly absorbed by CO2 gas. Hence at the right concentrations, we get a beneficial warming effect that has greatly helped life on Earth to develop as we know it. However, continue to increase the CO2 concentration and we literally overheat.

The effects of the rapidly ever increasing concentration of CO2 in our atmosphere are being directly measured.

One effect that is being noticed is that our upper atmosphere is now COOLING. So how does that indicate warming?... The increasing CO2 at lower altitudes is insulating the Earth better and so the higher extremities are now cooling more to the cold of space.

As to what that change does to our weather?... One effect appears to be that we now see the beautiful noctilucent clouds more often and increasingly at ever lower latitudes...

A beautiful harbinger of a doom of our own making?


At first glance I was going to use that supercilious pontification as an example of your near total ignorance of science. Upon second thought I realized I have no interest in spending the time to produce the two or three paragraphs required to correct the nonsense in every sentence of your post. Mainly because you 1) could not understand the explanations, 2) are to ignorant of science to know you cannot understand the explanations, and 3) you would completely ignore the explanations in you monomaniacal pursuit of saving the world as the only thing to fill your otherwise empty life.


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Message 1165022 - Posted: 24 Oct 2011, 13:53:51 UTC - in response to Message 1164827.  

At first glance I was going to use that supercilious pontification as an example of your near total ignorance ...


Sorry Matt, you are now totally discredited. No useful discussion is possible with your random rantings.

Are you sure your comments are not a reflection of your life?

I would hope that a little enthusiasm and interest might encourage you to better things.


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Message 1165024 - Posted: 24 Oct 2011, 13:57:29 UTC
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I just wonder if the decline in the fish population, unique to these isolated lakes, is actually a result of the environment around them warming/changing...


Arctic char released into Llyn Padarn to protect stocks

More than 2,000 young fish have been released into two lakes to protect a species whose numbers are declining.

An assessment of Arctic char in Llyn Padarn in Llanberis, Gwynedd, first prompted fears for their future in 2009.

Now, 800 fish which have been hatched and reared have just been released into the lake to reverse the trend.

And a further 1,600 have also been added into Llyn Crafnant, near Trefriw, in the Conwy Valley, to help stocks.

That is on top of the 5,000 fish already stocked there this year. ...



Note how other cold water species are migrating ever further to find cooler regions towards the poles...

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Message 1166782 - Posted: 31 Oct 2011, 20:32:12 UTC

Just a reminder of how climate affects the landscape and all life:


'Heat Armageddon' in California's Death Valley

This year's British summer has been officially declared the coolest in two decades. But what is it like to experience the inferno of California's Death Valley?

Death Valley is the lowest, driest, hottest place in North America. And if that is not enough to persuade the die-hard sun-seekers to visit, it also has the record for the hottest July ever recorded anywhere in the world - a blistering 134F (57C). ...



There's also an awful lot of Africa and Arabia that are steadily suffering more of such conditions...

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Message 1166857 - Posted: 1 Nov 2011, 0:08:35 UTC - in response to Message 1166782.  

Record low temps in the Northeast. Record snow falls for this early in the year. My daughter caught in the blizzard in the Hartford-Providence corridor. Next ice age proceeding apace due to CO-2 emissions. ??
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Message 1166972 - Posted: 1 Nov 2011, 12:57:13 UTC - in response to Message 1166857.  
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Record low temps in the Northeast. Record snow falls for this early in the year. My daughter caught in the blizzard in the Hartford-Providence corridor. Next ice age proceeding apace due to CO-2 emissions. ??

Don't be daft... You're just spouting the usual discredited "Watt's Up" dreamland silliness.

To repeat... (Must be a cartoon for this! ;-) )

There is what we call "weather" that describes what happens for a small area for a small timescale such as just a few hours or a few days.

There is then what we call "climate" which describes what sort of weather can be expected for an area.

"Climate" describes whether (note the "h" in that word!) you can expect mild weather, or changeable weather, or hot weather, or cold weather, or extreme weather, or dry weather, or wet weather, or monsoons, and so on...


One effect of our adding "more energy" to the weather systems is that we are generating a climate where you can expect the weather systems to become more extreme. So for example, we can expect storms to become more violent (even if the frequency doesn't increase), hurricanes/typhoons will develop further and for longer, and you may well get extremes where one part of your country suffers blizzards whilst the neighbouring state is suffering a heatwave.

A vague analogy is: You can heat a kettle of water slowly, and the water just warms until it gently boils. Or you can turn up the heat to boil it quickly and you get bubbles of steam, turbulence, and the lid rattling off... Much greater violence.


Sorry, I still don't know whether you are truly ignorant of climate and weather, or whether you just do not want see the reality that we are creating with our planet-wide industrial pollution.


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Message 1166976 - Posted: 1 Nov 2011, 13:22:14 UTC

<sigh>
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Message 1166979 - Posted: 1 Nov 2011, 13:29:55 UTC - in response to Message 1166976.  
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<sigh>

How soon?

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Message 1166982 - Posted: 1 Nov 2011, 13:45:58 UTC - in response to Message 1166976.  

<sigh>

OMG he has done it! He introduced more chaos into the weather system. There is going to be another typhoon this year!

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Message 1166989 - Posted: 1 Nov 2011, 14:26:22 UTC - in response to Message 1166982.  

him and his fluttering butterflies


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Message 1166996 - Posted: 1 Nov 2011, 14:41:32 UTC - in response to Message 1166989.  

him and his fluttering butterflies

With added Vindaloo and CO2?

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Message 1167623 - Posted: 4 Nov 2011, 1:48:41 UTC
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Ya know,

It occurred to me that a way to explain record cold days and record hot days is that the earth's tilt is increasing slowly but surely. It precesses from around 22 to 24 degrees over a period of 40,000 years or so. The tilt of the earth is what causes the wide seasonal swings and of course determines the amount of sunlight (ENERGY) which reaches each hemisphere.

This precession probably accounts for the ice ages and any warming trend if in fact we are going through one. Biggest sunspot ever now visible in the sun; this may signal that the energy emanating from the sun has it's own variance to think about. The energy balance on earth is probably more precarious than most of us realize. This is one reason I don't hold much hope for but a handfull of habitable planets in our Galaxy. Time may tell.
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Message 1167634 - Posted: 4 Nov 2011, 2:11:33 UTC - in response to Message 1167623.  

Sorry, I still don't know whether you are truly ignorant of climate and weather, or whether you just do not want see the reality that we are creating with our planet-wide industrial pollution.


It occurs to me that those of us who don't have post docs in Cimate Physics and peer-reviewed publications on climate change are indeed ignorant of climate and weather. What were your credentals again ??

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Message 1169753 - Posted: 10 Nov 2011, 15:34:01 UTC - in response to Message 1167634.  

Sorry, I still don't know whether you are truly ignorant of climate and weather, or whether you just do not want see the reality that we are creating with our planet-wide industrial pollution.


It occurs to me that those of us who don't have post docs in Cimate Physics and peer-reviewed publications on climate change are indeed ignorant of climate and weather. What were your credentals again ??


"credentals"? What's them?

I do have enough credentials and awareness to know that we can't hope to have an easy ride by forcibly quickly changing our only planet. The news from our actions and from the environment all around us is so blatant that you need to have a religious blindness to actively ignore what is happening. Are you religiously in denial?

You also need to have a blindly anti-science blindness to believe that radically changing our atmosphere with vast industrial pollution would have no consequences... Or are you some Market shill profiting at everyone else's expense?...


This is still our only planet, for everyone. How long before "direct action" is taken against the worst polluters?...

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Message 1169755 - Posted: 10 Nov 2011, 15:38:39 UTC
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So... Don't believe the scientists? After all, what might they know eh?

Perhaps these other people have just got to be believed. After all, it's you paying them, or you suffering the consequences if you don't:


Climate change: an eye on the storms

We all know particular events can't be attributed to long-term warming of the atmosphere. Actually, it's no longer that simple...

... however, there would have to be a link between extreme events like Irene, and the global warming that results from burning fossil fuels. And we all know that direct attribution between particular events and the long-term warming of the atmosphere is not possible, don't we? In fact, it's no longer that simple.

While both scientific and more ideological debates rage, a relationship between warming and extreme events has been quietly working its way into economic risk assessment. The insurance industry hasn't waited for definitive proof of attribution, or been distracted by the bluster of debate, because it works on the basis of probabilities, and it's been clear for some time that these are changing. ...




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Message 1169764 - Posted: 10 Nov 2011, 16:11:47 UTC

climate change is something where scientists can't give a evidence that it's happening.

some faction of science is on a crusade to convnce the world that climate is changing due to human intervention, however there is no tangible evidence that it's the thruth.

Earth showed the opposite several ways, with the coldest winters ever, and with well demarcated seasons.

The common mortal needs evidence, not fairy tales.

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Message 1169777 - Posted: 10 Nov 2011, 16:42:40 UTC - in response to Message 1169764.  
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some faction of science is on a crusade to convnce the world that climate is changing due to human intervention, however there is no tangible evidence that it's the thruth.


Let me correct that sentence for you:


"A few people whom have taken some data gathered scientificaly are on a crusade..."



(I make no claims about the accuracy of the data gathered. Science cannot crusade. People who happen to be scientists can crusade and claim it to be in the name of science, but science itself cannot crusade. Please don't confuse an inanimate, apolitical methodology with the people who are the exact opposite.)
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