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Message 983651 - Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 22:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 983648.  

Most electricians I've talked to won't wire up a 30A breaker to 120v as I've been told there are no 30A outlets(receptacles) and It would be unsafe as a result, possible fire danger I've been told.

120v 30a receptacles do exist. NEMA L5-30R (with NEMA L5-30P to match).

They are twist locks, and aren't often seen in a residential setting.

If you had a workshop, you might have a tool (compressor, large saw, planer) that could have an L5-30 plug.

Larger UPSes have them as the UPS cannot draw more than 80% of the line capacity.
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Message 983695 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 0:58:32 UTC - in response to Message 983651.  

Most electricians I've talked to won't wire up a 30A breaker to 120v as I've been told there are no 30A outlets(receptacles) and It would be unsafe as a result, possible fire danger I've been told.

120v 30a receptacles do exist. NEMA L5-30R (with NEMA L5-30P to match).

They are twist locks, and aren't often seen in a residential setting.

If you had a workshop, you might have a tool (compressor, large saw, planer) that could have an L5-30 plug.

Larger UPSes have them as the UPS cannot draw more than 80% of the line capacity.

Yeah, quite right. I've never seen them used domestically in the US (though maybe they are somewhere) but I have supplied & used them in industrial applications in the USA. Clumsy great beasts but they work well.
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Message 983698 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 1:06:41 UTC

And here is a residential RV 120V 30 amp that is not twist lock. I have installed many and some golf carts need them.

120 Volt 30 Amp non twist-lock

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Message 983712 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 2:10:44 UTC - in response to Message 983695.  

I know that our slicer and mixer use those for power at work.

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Message 983713 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 2:14:09 UTC - in response to Message 983698.  

And here is a residential RV 120V 30 amp that is not twist lock. I have installed many and some golf carts need them.

120 Volt 30 Amp non twist-lock


That looks just like the sockets we use in Canada for 240V appliances.

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Message 983717 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 2:39:10 UTC - in response to Message 983698.  

And here is a residential RV 120V 30 amp that is not twist lock. I have installed many and some golf carts need them.

120 Volt 30 Amp non twist-lock

I know where I saw that, it's the same connection used on the motor home when we use shore power. The sad part is most of the time we have to use a converter and turn it into a standard 3 prong connection. On the converter we must be very careful how much we turn on or we will fry a converter or an outlet. Even when we plug in directly we are limited to one air conditioner. To run both we need to start the 6.5 kw generator.
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Message 983724 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 3:06:11 UTC - in response to Message 983648.  


The biggest Amp outlet for a residential(a house) 120v that I've seen is 20 Amps, And sure there are other outlets that could be used for 120v, But their twist locks and those aren't found in any home I've ever seen or lived in, New or Old. And yeah there are higher Amped breakers like 30, 40, 50 & 60 Amp breakers, But usually their used for 240v, Most electricians I've talked to won't wire up a 30A breaker to 120v as I've been told there are no 30A outlets(receptacles) and It would be unsafe as a result, possible fire danger I've been told.

Hmmmm?



LH 240V 20 & 30A, RH 120V 20 & 30A

(inside my house, in the basement to be exact) ;)
Comeon over, that way you can say you have seen it in person! *grins*

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Message 983758 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 4:41:58 UTC - in response to Message 983724.  


The biggest Amp outlet for a residential(a house) 120v that I've seen is 20 Amps, And sure there are other outlets that could be used for 120v, But their twist locks and those aren't found in any home I've ever seen or lived in, New or Old. And yeah there are higher Amped breakers like 30, 40, 50 & 60 Amp breakers, But usually their used for 240v, Most electricians I've talked to won't wire up a 30A breaker to 120v as I've been told there are no 30A outlets(receptacles) and It would be unsafe as a result, possible fire danger I've been told.

Hmmmm?



LH 240V 20 & 30A, RH 120V 20 & 30A

(inside my house, in the basement to be exact) ;)
Comeon over, that way you can say you have seen it in person! *grins*

Looks like the bottom twist lock is missing a screw for the cover...LOL Just notice things like that.
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Message 983778 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 5:36:17 UTC - in response to Message 983758.  


The biggest Amp outlet for a residential(a house) 120v that I've seen is 20 Amps, And sure there are other outlets that could be used for 120v, But their twist locks and those aren't found in any home I've ever seen or lived in, New or Old. And yeah there are higher Amped breakers like 30, 40, 50 & 60 Amp breakers, But usually their used for 240v, Most electricians I've talked to won't wire up a 30A breaker to 120v as I've been told there are no 30A outlets(receptacles) and It would be unsafe as a result, possible fire danger I've been told.

Hmmmm?



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(inside my house, in the basement to be exact) ;)
Comeon over, that way you can say you have seen it in person! *grins*

Looks like the bottom twist lock is missing a screw for the cover...LOL Just notice things like that.

Heck the whole cover doesn't look like It's a match for the box as there is a gap that should not be there.
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Message 983783 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 5:48:16 UTC - in response to Message 983778.  


The biggest Amp outlet for a residential(a house) 120v that I've seen is 20 Amps, And sure there are other outlets that could be used for 120v, But their twist locks and those aren't found in any home I've ever seen or lived in, New or Old. And yeah there are higher Amped breakers like 30, 40, 50 & 60 Amp breakers, But usually their used for 240v, Most electricians I've talked to won't wire up a 30A breaker to 120v as I've been told there are no 30A outlets(receptacles) and It would be unsafe as a result, possible fire danger I've been told.

Hmmmm?


LH 240V 20 & 30A, RH 120V 20 & 30A

(inside my house, in the basement to be exact) ;)
Comeon over, that way you can say you have seen it in person! *grins*

Looks like the bottom twist lock is missing a screw for the cover...LOL Just notice things like that.

Heck the whole cover doesn't look like It's a match for the box as there is a gap that should not be there.

The cover is fine that type never fits tight but fits better with both screws...I was just giving him a hard time, it actually looks very cool.
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Message 983797 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 6:33:04 UTC

Well...
I see you are all having fun discussing electrical distribution.

I am gonna try not to get too into my cups tonight and get up with enough ambition to get this done and get the crunchers back on the trail.

Oh, my aching RAC. LOL...just gotta in this situation, don't do no good to cry. LOL.
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Message 983809 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 6:51:55 UTC

So little heat from the crippled farm right now, I actually had to fire up the furnace..
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Message 983815 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:05:20 UTC

Maybe you could go all 'eco-friendly' and build a 'wind-farm'. On the other hand, how do you 'farm' wind....aside from having lots of people eat beans and produce Methane, which is then used to drive a generator, via a gas turbine? lol






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Message 983816 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:09:03 UTC - in response to Message 983815.  

Maybe you could go all 'eco-friendly' and build a 'wind-farm'. On the other hand, how do you 'farm' wind....aside from having lots of people eat beans and produce Methane, which is then used to drive a generator, via a gas turbine? lol






I don't think my wind would be enough to power the farm....LOL.
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Message 983821 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:11:24 UTC - in response to Message 983815.  

Maybe you could go all 'eco-friendly' and build a 'wind-farm'. On the other hand, how do you 'farm' wind....aside from having lots of people eat beans and produce Methane, which is then used to drive a generator, via a gas turbine? lol







LOL. Funny you mention it. I'm planning on giving my much smaller den a rewire to handle larger capacities as well as Mark.

It involves building a wind turbine and some solar panels(link! to power the Core i7 system as well. It's always windy here - I'm on top of a hill and I live in New Zealand, perfect combination. LOL.

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Message 983824 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:15:42 UTC - in response to Message 983797.  

Well...
I see you are all having fun discussing electrical distribution.

I am gonna try not to get too into my cups tonight and get up with enough ambition to get this done and get the crunchers back on the trail.

Oh, my aching RAC. LOL...just gotta in this situation, don't do no good to cry. LOL.

What are you complaining about? If I crunched nothing but SETI my RAC would be about 400. When you are up and running it would take over a year for me to do what you do in a day.
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Message 983825 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:18:12 UTC - in response to Message 983815.  

Maybe you could go all 'eco-friendly' and build a 'wind-farm'. On the other hand, how do you 'farm' wind....aside from having lots of people eat beans and produce Methane, which is then used to drive a generator, via a gas turbine? lol






Hi Iona, Do We ever have wind around here, Gusts are hitting the mobilehome were ar 43mph, now their a bit lower at 36mph, The gusts are making Me buy an anchor kit and steel cables to secure the carport, As the gusts make Me nervous. This area has 4 wind turbines, 3 on private property and 1 giant one on the Marine base in Barstow CA($4 Million in cost to the taxpayers, Helps offset the bases electrical usage there when the wind blows in just a breeze(that's almost half the time around here), above a certain speed the turbine I'd expect would go into self preservation mode), It's quite a sight, The area could use more of those things as there's a few areas where they can be put where nothing lives(dry lakes) and over looking Barstow is good possibly too, As that's near where the big wind turbine is.
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Message 983827 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:19:55 UTC - in response to Message 983821.  

It involves building a wind turbine and some solar panels(link! to power the Core i7 system as well. It's always windy here - I'm on top of a hill and I live in New Zealand, perfect combination. LOL.

Now if you could work out a way to capture the methane from all those sheep... ;-P

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Message 983828 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:20:24 UTC - in response to Message 983821.  
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Maybe you could go all 'eco-friendly' and build a 'wind-farm'. On the other hand, how do you 'farm' wind....aside from having lots of people eat beans and produce Methane, which is then used to drive a generator, via a gas turbine? lol







LOL. Funny you mention it. I'm planning on giving my much smaller den a rewire to handle larger capacities as well as Mark.

It involves building a wind turbine and some solar panels(link! to power the Core i7 system as well. It's always windy here - I'm on top of a hill and I live in New Zealand, perfect combination. LOL.

I am not sure right now which technology has the upper hand as far as watt/dollar payback right now.
I have read about massive solar cell farms being built.......
And wind turbine farms are popping up all over the midwestern USA.

I think the limiting factor at the moment might be the square footage required to set up a solar collection farm VS the smaller amount of land required to erect a large number of wind turbines.

The other factor is the 'not in my backyard' mentality concerning the erection of the wind turbines.....there is some noise generated. Whereas a solar installation is rather benign except for the space required.

And then there are the solar collection farms, which collect the heat energy and convert it to steam rather than directly to electricity via solar cells.

As far as I am concerned, any and all such approaches are admirable. I had many years ago actually considered erecting a wind turbine on my back lot. Until I found that there were local ordinances in place that would have made it impossible for me to do so.
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Message 983829 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 7:22:34 UTC - in response to Message 983824.  

Well...
I see you are all having fun discussing electrical distribution.

I am gonna try not to get too into my cups tonight and get up with enough ambition to get this done and get the crunchers back on the trail.

Oh, my aching RAC. LOL...just gotta in this situation, don't do no good to cry. LOL.

What are you complaining about? If I crunched nothing but SETI my RAC would be about 400. When you are up and running it would take over a year for me to do what you do in a day.

I know Hon......
I still hate it when I am not crunching up to my potential....
It's that manic depressive/OCD thingy....remember? LOL.
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