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Message 997659 - Posted: 21 May 2010, 22:41:33 UTC

Just for a little background, it's not just tuna that is suffering:


UN official warns on fisheries losses

The UN's top environment official has echoed warnings that commercial fishing could be destroyed within 50 years.

"It is not a science fiction scenario. It is within the lifetime of a child born today," said Achim Steiner, head of the UN Environment Programme (Unep).

[...]

A preview of the report says for fish stocks to be saved, up to 22 million jobs involved with fishing may have to be axed, and up to 13 million boats removed from service.

The UN calculates that 35 million people around the world are directly employed in fishing, and up to 500 million are indirectly employed through related industries.

However, the UN says its projected lay-offs are a worst-case scenario that would only be necessary if untargeted cuts were applied across the world.

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He pointed to the case of bluefin tuna, which experts warn is being driven to the point of extinction through high demand.

Dr Steiner criticised the assumption that the free market would somehow "sort it out".

He said: "The market rewards those who will go out and go even further and get the last fish out the sea." ...



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Message 998444 - Posted: 24 May 2010, 10:59:00 UTC - in response to Message 997659.  
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And just to add an extra kick into a down and dead fish:


Ports 'failing to halt illegal fishing'

Global measures to regulate the fishing industry lack the capability to tackle illegal catches, warn researchers.

Writing in the journal Science, they say that up to 26m tonnes of fish, worth an estimated $23bn (£16bn), are landed illegally each year.



Does it really need the likes of Sea Shepherd to do anything about that?

...By the early 1970’s, the Norwegian stock had completely collapsed and has not recovered to this day; it never will.

Between 1960-1970, a fleet of Japanese longliners caught 5000-12000 tonnes of bluefin tuna annually in Brazilian waters. In that period, the bluefin was wiped out of the Brazilian waters and has never returned.

We just have to look at the collapse of the Canadian cod stocks. By the time the desperate Canadian government instituted a moratorium on cod fishing in 1992, it was too late, and the stocks have never recovered. It’s the same story in every commercial fishery; we are hunting species to extinction. ...



Or do we fish out all existence for a quick profit today to then starve tomorrow?...


Just for a little background, it's not just tuna that is suffering:


UN official warns on fisheries losses

The UN's top environment official has echoed warnings that commercial fishing could be destroyed within 50 years.

"It is not a science fiction scenario. It is within the lifetime of a child born today," said Achim Steiner, head of the UN Environment Programme (Unep).

[...]

A preview of the report says for fish stocks to be saved, up to 22 million jobs involved with fishing may have to be axed, and up to 13 million boats removed from service.

The UN calculates that 35 million people around the world are directly employed in fishing, and up to 500 million are indirectly employed through related industries.

However, the UN says its projected lay-offs are a worst-case scenario that would only be necessary if untargeted cuts were applied across the world.

[...]

He pointed to the case of bluefin tuna, which experts warn is being driven to the point of extinction through high demand.

Dr Steiner criticised the assumption that the free market would somehow "sort it out".

He said: "The market rewards those who will go out and go even further and get the last fish out the sea." ...



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Message 998840 - Posted: 26 May 2010, 2:50:45 UTC - in response to Message 980527.  
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Bluefin Tuna stocks are down 75% but the UN didn't see fit to place a ban on fishing. Seems Japan and China depend on it, but will just delay the economical impact of the ban by a couple years when there are none. Reminds me of the Lumber industry here in Washington. Instead of retraining they wanted to chop every last tree and then figure out what to do next.


It's kinda funny (I read the entire thread) that no one here is wondering why the oceans are in trouble; yes I do believe they are - I'm not a naysayer. Most of you seem to think that humans are just stupid and they don't care.

Let me ask you folks - do any of you have ANY children? I've said this many times and I'm afraid that I'll have to again and again:

The Earth's population in 1800 was 1 billion; today it's 6.9 billion.


If any family has more than 2 children, they are part of the problem.


We have a lot of people on Earth to feed and the oceans are a source of food for billions of people. If they don't fish the oceans, what are these folks to eat? <sarcasm>Maybe they should invade the UK and Europe and steal their pate, Foie gras, croissants, schnitzels, roast beef, Yorkshire pudding, scrambled eggs, fried bacon and sausages.</sarcasm>

It seems to me that most of the whiners are the ones with the full bellies in Western countries that are pointing the finger at China and Japan. Japan has twice the population of the UK and half the arable land for farming. Japan should be fishing Tuna and not the UK or the USA. These countries have enough arable land - they don't need Tuna but the Peeps in these countries want it and it gets imported there - WHY?

We can eat Big Macs and Bangers and mash and leave the Tuna for the folks that actually depend on it! It's not rocket science...

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Message 999007 - Posted: 26 May 2010, 23:09:44 UTC - in response to Message 998840.  

Bluefin Tuna stocks are down 75% but the UN didn't see fit to place a ban on fishing. Seems Japan and China depend on it, but will just delay the economical impact of the ban by a couple years when there are none. Reminds me of the Lumber industry here in Washington. Instead of retraining they wanted to chop every last tree and then figure out what to do next.


It's kinda funny (I read the entire thread) that no one here is wondering why the oceans are in trouble; yes I do believe they are - I'm not a naysayer. Most of you seem to think that humans are just stupid and they don't care.

Let me ask you folks - do any of you have ANY children? I've said this many times and I'm afraid that I'll have to again and again:

The Earth's population in 1800 was 1 billion; today it's 6.9 billion.


If any family has more than 2 children, they are part of the problem.


We have a lot of people on Earth to feed and the oceans are a source of food for billions of people. If they don't fish the oceans, what are these folks to eat? <sarcasm>Maybe they should invade the UK and Europe and steal their pate, Foie gras, croissants, schnitzels, roast beef, Yorkshire pudding, scrambled eggs, fried bacon and sausages.</sarcasm>

It seems to me that most of the whiners are the ones with the full bellies in Western countries that are pointing the finger at China and Japan. Japan has twice the population of the UK and half the arable land for farming. Japan should be fishing Tuna and not the UK or the USA. These countries have enough arable land - they don't need Tuna but the Peeps in these countries want it and it gets imported there - WHY?

We can eat Big Macs and Bangers and mash and leave the Tuna for the folks that actually depend on it! It's not rocket science...

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I agree with the children part, seems many feel they have to have kids. I chose not too, way too many people already. If they don't figure the fishing out, there will be no fishing...Might as well figure it out in Japan and China instead of just havesting until there is nothing left to harvest. I feel all nations have to do their part not just China and Japan. You can grow a lot of food in skyscrapers, so land isn't as much a problem for vegies...
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Message 1001019 - Posted: 5 Jun 2010, 17:56:38 UTC
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Looks like things are heating up in the Mediterranean even for the pacifist Greenpeace:


Setting sail to shut down bluefin tuna fisheries

The Rainbow Warrior is heading out to confront one of the most irresponsible and destructive fishing operations in the world. Mediterranean bluefin tuna have been exploited to the brink of extinction - making them the most visible and tragic example of oceans and fishery mismanagement.



Greenpeace member recovering from fishermen's hook injury

A Greenpeace activist was recovering in hospital in Malta on Saturday after surgery for an injury caused by a grappling hook slung by tuna fishermen in a clash at sea...

Earlier this year the European Union and the United States supported an international trade ban on tuna fished from these waters, but Japan lobbied successfully and the proposal was defeated.

France's national fisheries body backed the fishermen Saturday, saying they "were attacked by helmeted Greenpeace activists, equipped for and engaged in a violent operation -- the destruction of a work tool."

"After trying to get the species classified as endangered, based on an erroneous reading of the scientific facts regarding the stock of bluefin tuna, now (Greenpeace) assumes the right to attack fishermen out at sea," it added.

Jean-Marie Avallone, owner of the boat involved, accused Greenpeace of acting like "brigands."

As Greenpeace posted a video of the incident on the Internet, Wendling said Saturday that fishermen feared further action by environmentalist groups competing for publicity and donations.

The US-based Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, one of whose militants is on trial in Japan after boarding a Japanese whaler, has vowed to take action against what it says is massive poaching of tuna above the agreed quotas. ...



Looks like the fishermen are out to grab all they can get, all the way into their own extinction.


Very silly.

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Message 1002176 - Posted: 9 Jun 2010, 18:10:26 UTC - in response to Message 1001019.  

Looks like things are heating up in the Mediterranean even for the pacifist Greenpeace:


Another encounter:

New Greenpeace-tuna fishermen clashes off Malta

... The owner of the two French fishing vessels, Jean-Marie Avallone, told AFP that a fisherman was injured when the Greenpeace ship Arctic Sunrise rammed a trawler.

But Greenpeace rejected that claim and said its ship had been trying to free tuna caught in cages and that it had turned around and sailed away as soon as it saw the two fishing boats heading towards it.

"There was no contact between our militants and the crews of the fishing boats. And therefore no injured people," said Isabelle Philippe, spokeswoman for the group in France.

Meanwhile, the Federation of Malta Aquaculture producers reported a clash between Greenpeace activists and Spanish fishermen who, it said, were carrying out lawful fishing activities. ...



Looks like the fishermen are out to grab all they can get, all the way into their own extinction.



Very silly.

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Message 1004612 - Posted: 16 Jun 2010, 11:41:19 UTC
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Are the Japanese themselves getting worried that there will soon be too few tuna left for business?...


Commentary by Hiroaki Katsukura: Japan has a responsibility to save the bluefin tuna

... As president of a fisheries company in Kesennuma, Miyagi Prefecture, I was relieved by the CITES decision. But this does not mean we have nothing to worry about. On the contrary, the heavy responsibility of resource management has now fallen squarely on Japan's shoulders, as the world's largest consumer of bluefin tuna. ...


(Sea Shepherd's patrol of the tuna fishing is detailed on Operation Blue Rage)

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Message 1005216 - Posted: 17 Jun 2010, 12:23:34 UTC

Well, it looks like the loud rallying cry of Sea Shepherd and the intense glare of the world has made a big difference to this year's tuna fishing-to-extinction in the Mediterranean:


Operation Blue Rage: Happy Fish and Unhappy Fishermen

Day Nine of the Mediterranean Patrol


It is early days but hopefully a big difference has been made.

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Message 1009739 - Posted: 29 Jun 2010, 13:57:07 UTC - in response to Message 1005216.  

Well, it looks like the loud rallying cry of Sea Shepherd and the intense glare of the world has made a big difference to this year's tuna fishing-to-extinction in the Mediterranean...


And perhaps the Maltese have finally noticed?...


Editorial - No place for fishing wars

We have experienced a dangerous escalation in the confrontation between environmental groups, like Greenpeace and the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, and commercial fishermen who fish and farm tuna in the Mediterranean. We have passed from a war of words to a war of physical assaults...

... However, if they are not acting in accordance with our legal obligations, we have to tell those who operate in this business to stop breaching the regulations, irrespective of the economic consequences of such action.

Ensuring that fishing remains sustainable through realistic quotas makes economic and environmental sense. Those who are affected by such quotas need to be supported, as promised by the EU, so that they can cope with the hardships that changes in quotas can cause to the operators in this industry. ...


The comments to that article make interesting reading.


Congratulations to a very successful campaign by Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace and others.

Perhaps, a hopeful start...

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Message 1009962 - Posted: 30 Jun 2010, 13:03:39 UTC - in response to Message 1009739.  

Well, it looks like the loud rallying cry of Sea Shepherd and the intense glare of the world has made a big difference to this year's tuna fishing-to-extinction in the Mediterranean...


And perhaps the Maltese have finally noticed?...


Editorial - No place for fishing wars


And yet, the Maltese are STILL FISHING TUNA weeks after all the quotas have been more than filled:

BICREF queries tuna penning

... issued photos (above) of pens being towed on Sunday June 27 and queried how this could be happening since tuna fishing by purse seines (for tuna penning too) had been stopped by the EU on June 9 because EU member states had already reached their respective quotas. ...


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Message 1010257 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 10:30:15 UTC

Looks like Malta is just as corrupt as Japan:


Malta's Traditional Fishermen Salute Sea Shepherd

... While he understood the decline in tuna populations now requires such measures, he was bitter that his family was suffering the consequences of a big commercial industry controlled by a few.

Thousands of traditional fishermen currently have no work, he said... The Sunday market in the village now only sells what the industry refuses to take for export to the lucrative Japanese market. ...

... Malta was the only country to oppose Europe’s support for a ban on Bluefin tuna trade till the end, even as other Mediterranean countries with a stake in the trade backed down.

Politics failed to protect the endangered species and Malta claimed victory. Meanwhile, a new WWF report says overfishing will wipe out Bluefin tuna in three years. ...



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Message 1014633 - Posted: 11 Jul 2010, 12:39:21 UTC

Despite blatant examples of overfishing being exposed by Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace, looks like the EU can do nothing more than give a feeble "slap on the wrists" of those responsible:


Malta said to be expecting EC reprimand over unsustainable fishing

... Malta, along with France, Greece, Italy and Spain, are to “each receive a reprimand this week from the European Commission for failing to curb unsustainable fishing”. ...


At least this is being watched now.

Looks like Sea Shepherd and Greenpeace need to be there again next year.


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Message 1019337 - Posted: 24 Jul 2010, 23:31:10 UTC

Add this little lot up:


Four Fish by Paul Greenberg

... What we have seen, he writes of sea-fish in general, is a wave of psychological denial of staggering scope. "With wild fish we have chosen, time after time, to ignore the fundamental limits the laws of nature place on eco-systems and have consistently removed more fish than can be replaced by natural processes. ...


Tuna exports surge despite barrier to EU

... According to the Viet Nam General Department of Customs, by June 15, the country exported 37,500 tonnes of tuna worth US$147 million...


Adrian Grenier Partners with Oceana to Save Bluefin Tuna

Oceana has launched a new ad campaign titled Going Fast that features Adrian Grenier, star of the hit HBO Series “Entourage,” swimming with bluefin tuna.



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Message 1022474 - Posted: 4 Aug 2010, 12:57:40 UTC

Well, the Maltese have noted a small decline in their fish catches and a nearly one third reduction in their catch of tuna this year. However, instead, it looks like they are hell bent on wiping out swordfish instead with greatly increased catches!


Bluefin tuna landings register massive 32.3% drop

The volume and wholesale value of fresh fish landings dropped by 9.9 and 7.5% respectively in the second quarter this year when compared to 2009. ...

... landings amounted to 331,243 kilograms...

An action by the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society this year managed to free some 800 tuna from a Maltese cage, believed to be worth some €1 million in value according to tuna farmers who were towing the cage. ...

... Swordfish landings advanced by 85.5% while a drop of 22.8% was registered for Blue Fin Tuna. ...



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Message 1022483 - Posted: 4 Aug 2010, 13:53:43 UTC - in response to Message 1022474.  

I really don't have much of a problem with caging Tuna to farm it in the open ocena as long as it is allowed to reproduce it shouldnt be a big deal. I can see this as being an excellent way to keep the stocks safe from poaching and also prevent further declines in their numbers


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Message 1022488 - Posted: 4 Aug 2010, 14:22:11 UTC - in response to Message 1022483.  
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I really don't have much of a problem with caging Tuna to farm it in the open ocena as long as it is allowed to reproduce it shouldnt be a big deal. I can see this as being an excellent way to keep the stocks safe from poaching and also prevent further declines in their numbers


The problem with that and all fish farming is that x10 the amount of caged fish of other fish is fished and ground down to feed them. The area around the cages quickly gets polluted and becomes a hazard to all wild fish...

None of the caged fish go to replenish the wild stocks... I doubt that the caged fish even reduce the commercial pressure to fish out of existence the wild stocks either.

For tuna, the caged fish are caged merely to fatten up the juveniles that have been caught. They are not farmed.


All bad on all counts, unless you are one of those stockpiling the fish in deep freeze to profit by the increasing prices as the fish are exterminated to extinction.


Tuna is still endangered. One question is how the politics will fall out for the next meeting of CITES.

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