Although I love to help with seti crunch numbers I think nothing will ever be found scanning the electromagnetic spectrum do to the performance restrictions of that medium and what it has to offer, my opinion is ET would be using some type of psychometric technology for everything that we would use in the EM range of space but thats just my opinion!:)

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Although I love to help with seti crunch numbers I think nothing will ever be found scanning the electromagnetic spectrum do to the performance restrictions of that medium and what it has to offer, my opinion is ET would be using some type of psychometric technology for everything that we would use in the EM range of space but thats just my opinion!:)

So at no point during any civilization's evolution they would have ever used EM communications? If you're right about psychometric tech, what do we know about this and how could we detect an intelligent pattern to distinguish the noise from the communication?

We have to start with what we know and mastered ourselves before we can search for other methods.

Well I don't claim to have all the answers or to be an expert on the long range performance of Human EM technology but with all that is out there to interfere with a physical wave or particle that has no additional energy added to it and the fact those waves are limited to the speed of light or less it doesn't seem like something that could keep it's composure outside of a solar system to be detected by a receiving dish or network. There are too many things to intersect or distort such waves.(sorry I used the word such!)Plus it's almost impossible to predict what would direct the thinking or technological development of an intelligence from another culture! My point of view about psychometric technology is from this planet, even though 99.9% of people that claim to have psychic or remote viewing abilities are nothing but fakes there are some that have real abilities that have been measured by science! If it is true that a gifted person can sit in a room at a table with a pencil and paper and track a target on the other side of the planet then that means there is a measurable science to be learned and the medium of that science would be the psychometric field. If a person can do this than it means a machine can be built to transmit and receive through that medium as well and that medium would have no speed limit nor interference from traveling through normal space. If I were looking for a better solution to radio waves thats where I would look!:)

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Plus it's almost impossible to predict what would direct the thinking or technological development of an intelligence from another culture!

That's why we assume they've gone through the expected stages of evolution and at some point used radio waves. Remember that the waves would come from light-years away, so the signal would be old. We're not searching for real-time signals. It doesn't matter if they are using more advanced methods now, we just need to know if they used radio waves in their past.

My point of view about psychometric technology is from this planet, even though 99.9% of people that claim to have psychic or remote viewing abilities are nothing but fakes there are some that have real abilities that have been measured by science!

No, there hasn't. Not by any good scientist anyway. All of them are fakes.

First I don't believe an EM wave from a transmitter can maintain enough structure over those distances to be able to tell it apart from other natural emitters at outer solar ranges so in my mind age just makes it more unlikely to hold itself together to get here as a structured signal but again i'm not an expert in long range EM technology! Second I know for a fact from personal sources that the U.S. government has in the past and still has remote viewers on our payroll! Again just my opinions! To everyone in here please give any and all idea's to this forum with a light heart, it's the collaboration of all our opinion's that will lead us to the truth and uphold the sanctity of science! It's what pushes us to understand this beautiful universe we live in!

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OK...I'll bite. This may well be a silly enquiry among much learned fellow-participants but it has been nagging in the back of my mind for quite some time and I need to get it out before the neurons have a fit. Please excuse the simple lingo (as in language):- Does the detection process for whatever EM emission variables SETI employ factor in cosmological retardation (as in 'redshifting')?

Touching The Great Debacle er...Debate, "Are We Alone?", well...let me answer that question this way:- If I did not believe that there was even the remotest possibility of some other forms of intelligent life scattered throughout our vast universe I would not allow my computer to be linked into this quest. My mind is kept open without preconceived notions.

Second I know for a fact from personal sources that the U.S. government has in the past and still has remote viewers on our payroll!

Police departments also hire spiritual mediums to solve cases. This is always at the suggestion of the victims of the case or their family. None of them have ever been successful at solving the case, ever.

But it's nice to see our tax dollars going to liars and swindlers who can fool the people into convincing the government that they need to be paid for a job that no real scientist has ever been able to verify.

[…] Does the detection process for whatever EM emission variables SETI employ factor in cosmological retardation (as in 'redshifting')?

Any signal we could detect is very unlikely to come from beyond our Galaxy, so the cosmological redshift won't apply. (To be seen from e.g. the Virgo Cluster, just barely distant enough to show a consistent redshift, ET would need a beacon orders of magnitude more powerful than a star, or perhaps very accurately focused on us—it’s hard to imagine either scenario.)

However, a lot of the processing this project does is “chirping” for the kind of frequency oscillations that would be expected from orbital or diurnal motions of a source (and to cancel out those of the Earth): the ordinary kind of Doppler effect. See the old S@h Classic explanatory article What is SETI@home Looking For?

P.S. This subthread really belongs in the S@h Science forum.

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Odysseus:

Thankyou for your informative response to my question. The neurons are functioning in a more harmonic mode now and I will follow up upon your directive. Cheers.

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Ham Radio Operators, CB'ers, and Broadcasters all depend on something other than point-to-point communications and I don't see any of these radiators of RF not being used in the foreseeable future.

CB'ers!?

OH YUCK! Talk about absolute cosmic RF noise pollution, which should be banned from further transmission!

If ETs, whom have already deciphered the English language / American dialect & slang, are listening to the over powered, over modulated, "ratchet jaw" garbage on it and the foul mouths transmitting utilizing the citizen's radio band frequencies, that have been emanating from the U.S. for the past thirty five to fourty years, they most certainly do not want anything to do with us!

Matter of fact. . . . if they are listening to many TV & radio broadcasts passing by and understand them, they wouldn't want anything to do with the whole planet!

I can imagine "Jetson's" or "Futurama" type space traffic signs placed out in near space somewhere stating, "DANGER! DO NOT LAND! KEEP AWAY! CRAZED KILLER THINGS LIVE HERE!".

Oh well. There's no "do overs". Too late. :-(

On the topic at hand, "Are We Alone", my answer HAS TO BE NO. Other life forms my not be like us in many, many ways, but I believe it is or they are out there somewhere. . . . and just possibly hiding from us. :-)

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Wishing you continued science "fun" and at least, always valid results,
Laters,
Rick "WHOSIT" W.
Participating in: Einstein/MilkyWay/Rosetta/SETI

What kind of debate is that? Of course we are not alone. I feel like I am back in the dark ages watching people debate whether the world is flat or not.

I hope aliens don't find out about this. We will become a cosmic joke very quickly when word gets around the galaxy about our ignorance.

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DON'T TREAD ON ME!

Actually Its nice that SETI is looking for Intelligent life out there, as there is none on this ball of dust :)

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Actually Its nice that SETI is looking for Intelligent life out there, as there is none on this ball of dust :)

Good one Ardentcrest:)

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creo que si,la nasa lo ha confirmado,ademas hay una imagen de la señal

The distant universe

<tongue in cheek>
Yes we are alone in this vast universe, as well as in other universes. SETI is just an exercise in distributed computing. They're sending us workunits which they say comes from the Arecibo observatory, but for all I know it may very well be signals from a TV-station close to Berkeley that they send out to be crunched.
</tongue in cheek>

More likely, the campus micro power radio station. :-)

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Wishing you continued science "fun" and at least, always valid results,
Laters,
Rick "WHOSIT" W.
Participating in: Einstein/MilkyWay/Rosetta/SETI

it's sure that life in universe exists. But most of them would be like unicellular oranisms, because they can live in an extreme Environment (like thermophilic archaea).
But higher developed life(like vertebrate) need an "stable" Environmt for a long time (sure there had been a lot of mass exticntions in the history of our planet- but they had been necessary for the human development).

the paramter in our solarsystem are nearly perfect for the formation of live (the mass etc. of the sun (G2V), the mass of the earth, distance- earth moon, jupiter as a blockade for asteroids, the position of our solar system in our galaxy, the proportion of Elements heavier as He, "stable Neighbourhood" without cosmic disasters like supernovas etc...). All this parameter are nearly perfectly set, that it looks like mere chance that we exist.
However; i think human beeings define intelligene in a very anthropological view- But tell me are oranisms which destroy there Environment they are living in intelligent? I dont think so. And so i think that Civilizations, which are able to communicate with human beeings only have a very short life span (because they erase themselves). And so its very implausible to find a signal.

But there is a chance, and if there is a chance we should take it.

Excuse my bad english [/i]

Welcome to the boards Samuel. Genglish is perfectly fine here.

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creo que si ,ademas hace poco,pero no saben seguro que sea una señal de inteligencia extraterrestre.buscalo en el google como "SENAL SETI RECIBIDA POR LA NASA"mas no te puedo contar porque no se.

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