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Message 969995 - Posted: 12 Feb 2010, 14:40:52 UTC

I have noticed many times when I shut boinc down and go into task manager that Boinctray is still running and have to manually shut it down. I always figured a scheduler request was in progress or something.
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Message 969997 - Posted: 12 Feb 2010, 14:47:54 UTC - in response to Message 969995.  

I have noticed many times when I shut boinc down and go into task manager that Boinctray is still running and have to manually shut it down. I always figured a scheduler request was in progress or something.

No, Boinctray is just a watchdog which detects mouse and keyboard activity - if you use any of the 'suspend while user is active' options in BOINC, you'll need it running, but it doesn't do anything else. Certainly no external communications.
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Message 970021 - Posted: 12 Feb 2010, 16:18:55 UTC - in response to Message 969997.  

And if you once stopped it, you'll have to start it again manually or reboot. It's not started with BOINC, only at boot time.

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Message 970252 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 13:13:22 UTC
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I had a similar event happen. From boinctray I had clicked on "snooze" to stop all processing so I could play a game. At some point in the game (I had been playing a while) the video got real choppy. I exited the game and checked on the "snooze" function. It was unchecked and all processing had resumed.

I was looking for a time value applied to "snooze", but I couldn't find one, thinking that there might have been a preset "snooze" period.

This seems to be a boinc problem as I run SETI and Einstein 24/7. Einstein is CPU only, and SETI is mostly GPU with some CPU thrown in occasionally. I don't know if that helps, but I thought I would throw it out there.

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Message 970254 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 13:25:10 UTC - in response to Message 970252.  

I had a similar event happen. From boinctray I had clicked on "snooze" to stop all processing so I could play a game. At some point in the game (I had been playing a while) the video got real choppy. I exited the game and checked on the "snooze" function. It was unchecked and all processing had resumed.

I was looking for a time value applied to "snooze", but I couldn't find one, thinking that there might have been a preset "snooze" period.

This seems to be a boinc problem as I run SETI and Einstein 24/7. Einstein is CPU only, and SETI is mostly GPU with some CPU thrown in occasionally. I don't know if that helps, but I thought I would throw it out there.

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My experience tells me that snooze is for one hour before restarting.

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Message 970256 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 13:32:44 UTC - in response to Message 970252.  

I had a similar event happen. From boinctray I had clicked on "snooze" to stop all processing so I could play a game. At some point in the game (I had been playing a while) the video got real choppy. I exited the game and checked on the "snooze" function. It was unchecked and all processing had resumed.

I was looking for a time value applied to "snooze", but I couldn't find one, thinking that there might have been a preset "snooze" period.

This seems to be a boinc problem as I run SETI and Einstein 24/7. Einstein is CPU only, and SETI is mostly GPU with some CPU thrown in occasionally. I don't know if that helps, but I thought I would throw it out there.

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In most current BOINC versions, Snooze stops CPU, and I think GPU, processing for 60 minutes. I dont have a CUDA capable GPU, but I'm sure someone will confirm this.

There are plans in development to have separate "Snooze CPU" and "Snooze GPU" features, possibly with settable time features. I don't think that these are yet available in current, recommended versions of BOINC.
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Message 970282 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 15:45:45 UTC - in response to Message 970256.  

I had a similar event happen. From boinctray I had clicked on "snooze" to stop all processing so I could play a game. At some point in the game (I had been playing a while) the video got real choppy. I exited the game and checked on the "snooze" function. It was unchecked and all processing had resumed.

I was looking for a time value applied to "snooze", but I couldn't find one, thinking that there might have been a preset "snooze" period.

This seems to be a boinc problem as I run SETI and Einstein 24/7. Einstein is CPU only, and SETI is mostly GPU with some CPU thrown in occasionally. I don't know if that helps, but I thought I would throw it out there.

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In most current BOINC versions, Snooze stops CPU, and I think GPU, processing for 60 minutes. I dont have a CUDA capable GPU, but I'm sure someone will confirm this.

There are plans in development to have separate "Snooze CPU" and "Snooze GPU" features, possibly with settable time features. I don't think that these are yet available in current, recommended versions of BOINC.

The latest development version has the separate 'Snooze' and 'Snooze GPU' options,
as well as the Activity Selections of 'Use GPU always/Use GPU based on preferences/Use GPU never',
so you could select GPU use to never while you're Gaming / Watching DVD's etc, then turn it back on afterwards,

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Message 970297 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 16:21:03 UTC - in response to Message 970252.  
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From boinctray I had clicked on "snooze"

You can't click anything in Boinctray. It doesn't show anything while it's running.

Despite its name, for Windows versions of BOINC at least, it does not show the BOINC icon in the system tray. That's done by minimizing BOINC Manager (the GUI).

Easily checked as well. Exit BOINC completely, checking "Stop running science applications on Manager exit" and clicking OK. Check in Task Manager that Boinctray.exe is running. As long as it is, do you see an icon in the system tray (next to the clock)?

So, that shows that that little program is doing something else.
Its only purpose in life is to check for keyboard clicks and mouse movement activities, to see if your computer is idle or not. Really, that's all it does.

(There is a third party Linux application called Boinctray)
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Message 970312 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 17:24:29 UTC - in response to Message 970297.  

From boinctray I had clicked on "snooze"

You can't click anything in Boinctray. It doesn't show anything while it's running.

Despite its name, for Windows versions of BOINC at least, it does not show the BOINC icon in the system tray. That's done by minimizing BOINC Manager (the GUI).

Easily checked as well. Exit BOINC completely, checking "Stop running science applications on Manager exit" and clicking OK. Check in Task Manager that Boinctray.exe is running. As long as it is, do you see an icon in the system tray (next to the clock)?

So, that shows that that little program is doing something else.
Its only purpose in life is to check for keyboard clicks and mouse movement activities, to see if your computer is idle or not. Really, that's all it does.

(There is a third party Linux application called Boinctray)

When I exit and check the "stop running app" boinctray will sometimes keep running but is not showing on the tray next to the clock only shows in Task Manager.
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Message 970323 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 18:10:01 UTC - in response to Message 970312.  

When I exit and check the "stop running app" boinctray will sometimes keep running but is not showing on the tray next to the clock only shows in Task Manager.

Boinctray will always keep running, if it was running in the first place. It isn't stopped with BOINC and only started at system boot.

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Message 970405 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010, 0:48:50 UTC - in response to Message 970312.  


When I exit and check the "stop running app" boinctray will sometimes keep running but is not showing on the tray next to the clock only shows in Task Manager.

boinctray never shows in the tray.

That's why there is some confusion about what it does (and doesn't) do.
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Message 970410 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010, 1:12:09 UTC
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I don't allow boinctray.exe to run. I haven't had any issues with BOINC not stopping science applications from running when told to or restarting them when the timer elapses.
I'm not sure where the issue might be, but it could be related to user permissions I suppose. On all my machines the user that is logged in is an admin & all the UAC settings are disabled.
You might want to use Task Manager & look at what "user" is running the applications. This could point to the right directions to take to get things working correctly for you.
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Message 970438 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010, 3:56:42 UTC - in response to Message 970410.  

I don't allow boinctray.exe to run.

It only detects keyboard and mouse activity -- if you want BOINC to stop when someone is using the computer, you need to detect keyboard/mouse activity. If you don't, you don't.
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Message 970501 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010, 14:16:28 UTC - in response to Message 970438.  
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I don't allow boinctray.exe to run.

It only detects keyboard and mouse activity -- if you want BOINC to stop when someone is using the computer, you need to detect keyboard/mouse activity. If you don't, you don't.

Yes, If I disable the "While Computer is in use" setting, and set "Only after computer has been idle" to .50 seconds. Then when I move the mouse processing stops. Then when I stop moving the mouse processing begins again after 30 seconds. All without boinctray.exe running. I get a bunch of messages in the log informing me what it's doing as well.
2/14/2010 9:12:06 AM Resuming computation
2/14/2010 9:12:06 AM Resuming network activity
2/14/2010 9:12:09 AM Suspending computation - user is active
2/14/2010 9:12:09 AM Suspending network activity - user is active
2/14/2010 9:12:19 AM Resuming computation
2/14/2010 9:12:19 AM Resuming network activity
2/14/2010 9:12:26 AM Suspending computation - user is active
2/14/2010 9:12:26 AM Suspending network activity - user is active
I was actually using a value like .12 instead of .50.
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Message 970608 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010, 20:52:04 UTC - in response to Message 970501.  
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Boinctray.exe is needed for when you run as a service on Windows Vista or Windows 7, or run the client (boinc.exe) without BOINC Manager. Both BOINC Manager and Boinctray.exe do idle tracking.

In Windows XP just running the client (boinc.exe) will check for the computer being idle. This method cannot be used in Vista and 7, so that's why the idle check was added to BM and BT.
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Message 970623 - Posted: 14 Feb 2010, 22:17:15 UTC - in response to Message 970608.  
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Boinctray.exe is needed for when you run as a service on Windows Vista or Windows 7, or run the client (boinc.exe) without BOINC Manager. Both BOINC Manager and Boinctray.exe do idle tracking.

In Windows XP just running the client (boinc.exe) will check for the computer being idle. This method cannot be used in Vista and 7, so that's why the idle check was added to BM and BT.

Thanks for the info on BT. I had only seen before that it was used for Vista/7 to detect idle activity, & not that the functionality was also in BM.
I could still see permission issues effecting OffBeatMammal's operation.
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