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Message 960558 - Posted: 3 Jan 2010, 13:32:53 UTC

I am working on a new Dotsch/UX 1.2 release in the moment in the alpha test.

Mayor changes are CUDA implementaion and CUDA tools, Live CD persistent home directory mode, a Grid Perfomance mointoring tool, integrated backup over network and to local devices, and a lot of enhancements and fixes.

I would very happy, if anybody would been interested to help beta test the new release. The beta test would start at the mid/end of the comming week.
Please contact me via PM, if you are interested in Beta test the new release.
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Message 960971 - Posted: 5 Jan 2010, 19:47:40 UTC

Sounds good.

Good luck!

(And a good excuse for bumping the thread up the forum page ;-) )


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Message 961548 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010, 15:30:48 UTC - in response to Message 960971.  

Sounds good.

Good luck!

(And a good excuse for bumping the thread up the forum page ;-) )


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Thank you very much Martin.
It's very sad, on all my posting in different project forums, only one person gave a feedback.
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Message 961702 - Posted: 7 Jan 2010, 23:17:14 UTC - in response to Message 961548.  

It's very sad, on all my posting in different project forums, only one person gave a feedback.

I'm sure there's many more than just me 'lurking'.

And don't worry about the silliness from the Microsoft fan-boyz... They just don't understand ;-)


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Message 961734 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010, 1:03:35 UTC - in response to Message 960558.  

Glad to hear about the new release!

Couple questions for you on the new version:

I have /UX 1.1 on a couple of my machines and hope to add it to more. Will 1.2 automatically configure network connections so I don't have to edit the .conf files after each install? And will it include automatic wireless support as well? My goal is to be able to install it and have it ready to connect immediately without having to do all the mucking about over network access which takes some time for each machine.

Also, a more general question: though I am not a /UX CUDA user, I want to keep BOINC somewhat up to date. Can I run the installer in the BOINC folder and have it update all the files without breaking your auto-start implementations?

Wish I could be a beta tester for you, but don't have the extra time at the moment.
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Message 961845 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010, 8:05:16 UTC - in response to Message 961734.  

I have /UX 1.1 on a couple of my machines and hope to add it to more. Will 1.2 automatically configure network connections so I don't have to edit the .conf files after each install? And will it include automatic wireless support as well? My goal is to be able to install it and have it ready to connect immediately without having to do all the mucking about over network access which takes some time for each machine.

Yes, the Network manager bugs and DHCP bugs are fixed in 1.2.
Are you use the Live CD mode on your systems, opr do you have a USB or HDD install ? - Normaly the fix for 1.1 must be done one times on USB/HDD installations, but at Live CD at each boot.


Also, a more general question: though I am not a /UX CUDA user, I want to keep BOINC somewhat up to date. Can I run the installer in the BOINC folder and have it update all the files without breaking your auto-start implementations?
Yes, this is implemented since 1.0. - I always used the offical BOINC client from Berkeley, which made this installation procedurce posible.

Wish I could be a beta tester for you, but don't have the extra time at the moment.

No problem, I will PM you the link, and you can download it, when you have time. - If we release a stable release in the mean time, I will inform you and also made a post in this forum.
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Message 961901 - Posted: 8 Jan 2010, 13:21:16 UTC - in response to Message 961845.  


Yes, the Network manager bugs and DHCP bugs are fixed in 1.2.
Are you use the Live CD mode on your systems, opr do you have a USB or HDD install ? - Normaly the fix for 1.1 must be done one times on USB/HDD installations, but at Live CD at each boot.


Excellent! I use the HDD installs.


No problem, I will PM you the link, and you can download it, when you have time. - If we release a stable release in the mean time, I will inform you and also made a post in this forum.


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Message 963194 - Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 11:31:37 UTC

Definately interested in the new release, will be trying to setup a diskless farm w/8-10 boards going. Looking forward to the easier to setup networking, that was an issue for me in the previous release, being a complete Linux newb and all. Is it based upon the latest release of Ubuntu (9.10?) and is 64 bit available? Thanks for all your work on this, we appreciate it!

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Message 963215 - Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 14:42:48 UTC - in response to Message 963194.  
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Definately interested in the new release, will be trying to setup a diskless farm w/8-10 boards going. Looking forward to the easier to setup networking, that was an issue for me in the previous release, being a complete Linux newb and all. Is it based upon the latest release of Ubuntu (9.10?) and is 64 bit available? Thanks for all your work on this, we appreciate it!

I took a brief look at pxe-boot, tftp, and nfs to run diskless with Linux. The actual setup is surprisingly easy and beautifully flexible once you realise what is happening. In short, just enable pxe-boot in the bios of your diskless systems and that's it. Ridiculously easy for as many diskless machines as you wish.

The really hard part is that there seems to be no useful documentation anywhere (that I could find) for what the system structure is and how it all fits together. There's various nice 'walkthroughs' but they leave you bewildered for what is actually happening...


Fantastic functionality. Shame there's no useful documentation.

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Message 963264 - Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 17:25:57 UTC - in response to Message 963215.  

The really hard part is that there seems to be no useful documentation anywhere (that I could find) for what the system structure is and how it all fits together. There's various nice 'walkthroughs' but they leave you bewildered for what is actually happening...


Fantastic functionality. Shame there's no useful documentation.

What excatly are your wishes to the documentation ? - What details you are missing ?

Ahm, I have the problem, that I am doing this, my BOINC and SETI ports and a some other hobbies in my spare time. So any support from other peoples are very welcome. There are a lot of todos, for example documentation, development, design wallpaper and icons, testing,...

But I have the problem, that a lot of peoples uses Dotsch/UX, my SETI or BOINC ports, but the feedback and the help is very spare.
In the worst case they complain about that it not work in other forums, don't read the documentation and I never get any feedback to improve anything.
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Message 963268 - Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 17:33:50 UTC - in response to Message 963194.  

Definately interested in the new release, will be trying to setup a diskless farm w/8-10 boards going. Looking forward to the easier to setup networking, that was an issue for me in the previous release, being a complete Linux newb and all. Is it based upon the latest release of Ubuntu (9.10?) and is 64 bit available? Thanks for all your work on this, we appreciate it!

Thanky you very much !

Dotsch/UX 1.2 is based on Ubuntu 8, because there are no real big benefits in Ubuntu 9, except the changed startup procedure and the better compression of the Live CD and USB images.
So the additional testing of a complete new OS had made to much work, so I decided to develop 1.2 with a lot of new features, and after the release of 1.2 to start the alpha of Dotsch/UX 2.0 based on Ubuntu 9, but also have an look to the next Ubuntu 10.04, and use(hopefully) use 10.04 LTS as next base. 10.04 release date was announced in April 2010.

Since Dotsch/UX 1.1 32 and 64 bit distributions are available.
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Message 963285 - Posted: 14 Jan 2010, 18:33:34 UTC - in response to Message 963194.  

Definately interested in the new release, will be trying to setup a diskless farm w/8-10 boards going. Looking forward to the easier to setup networking, that was an issue for me in the previous release, being a complete Linux newb and all.

Feel free to contact me via PM or discuss here your setup. - I think your first setup attempt was a little bit complicated, and was a lot of to much to setup for a neeby.
I recommend you the easiest setup with one subnet and a disabled DHCP on the internet router for the beginning - as showed in the documentation part 1.3 - first example. If this works, you can also add your subnet structure as you wished in your first attempts.
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Message 963613 - Posted: 15 Jan 2010, 21:45:37 UTC - in response to Message 963264.  
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The really hard part is that there seems to be no useful documentation anywhere (that I could find) for what the system structure is and how it all fits together. There's various nice 'walkthroughs' but they leave you bewildered for what is actually happening...


Fantastic functionality. Shame there's no useful documentation.

What excatly are your wishes to the documentation ? - What details you are missing ?

Sorry, no comment there about your efforts. My comment was about my brief look at bolting together a diskless network for myself from the separate building blocks. Various people have already done that and documented their specific examples, but with no explanation of what is underneath their "magic".

Once you do realise what the building blocks are, and why, then it's easy!


Ahm, I have the problem, that I am doing this, my BOINC and SETI ports and a some other hobbies in my spare time. So any support from other peoples are very welcome. There are a lot of todos, for example documentation, development, design wallpaper and icons, testing,...

But I have the problem, that a lot of peoples uses Dotsch/UX, my SETI or BOINC ports, but the feedback and the help is very spare.
In the worst case they complain about that it not work in other forums, don't read the documentation and I never get any feedback to improve anything.

That is always a big problem. That is also very disheartening when you put in a lot of time to carefully make the setup work, only to find others want nothing other than "magic" that "just blindly always works"... And all for no effort or concern on their part.

Hang in there.

People will learn eventually. Those interested will learn soon enough.

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Message 965848 - Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 8:02:54 UTC - in response to Message 963613.  

The really hard part is that there seems to be no useful documentation anywhere (that I could find) for what the system structure is and how it all fits together. There's various nice 'walkthroughs' but they leave you bewildered for what is actually happening...


Fantastic functionality. Shame there's no useful documentation.

What excatly are your wishes to the documentation ? - What details you are missing ?

Sorry, no comment there about your efforts. My comment was about my brief look at bolting together a diskless network for myself from the separate building blocks. Various people have already done that and documented their specific examples, but with no explanation of what is underneath their "magic".

Once you do realise what the building blocks are, and why, then it's easy!

The complexity of the different steps was the intention for me, to make the Dotsch/UX project...

At client boot the PXE client makes a DHCP broadcast, the DHCP server anwsers with he network configuration which includes a boot image address (server and location) and the NFS mount for the root filesystem. The client fetches the boot strap files and the kernel image and initramfs via tftp from the ftp server and boots from them.
In the initramfs has enabled the NFS mount of the root filesystem, and mounts the nfs mount offered from the tftp server as root FS.
The rest now is a "normal" Unix boot via init.

The whole thing is a lot of server configurations of the several daemons, setup of the kernel and initram, and a lot of testing...

A good starting point is wikipedia (PXE, DHCP, NFS, TFTP) and the referering links for the general functions and some basics. For a deeper config, have a look at the manuals of your distribution.
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Message 965863 - Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 13:46:09 UTC - in response to Message 965848.  

I was looking to setup a wireless box. can the 1.2 handle a pci or usb adaptor?
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Message 965890 - Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 18:00:56 UTC - in response to Message 965863.  

I was looking to setup a wireless box. can the 1.2 handle a pci or usb adaptor?

Sorry, I dont't understand excatly what you would like to do. - Primarly all network/WLAN/USB devices are supported by Ubuntu.
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Message 965900 - Posted: 25 Jan 2010, 19:23:07 UTC - in response to Message 965890.  

excellent. I'm not an Ubuntu user. Since yours was a stripped down version and I didn't read anything that explicitly said it could handle a WAN Connection, then I thought I should ask about it.

I haven't tried a wireless connection for Linux(Mandriva) in a few years. Mandriva hasn't played well with wireless in the past and I was uncertain how well Unbuntu played wireless

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Message 966115 - Posted: 27 Jan 2010, 7:22:14 UTC - in response to Message 965900.  

excellent. I'm not an Ubuntu user. Since yours was a stripped down version and I didn't read anything that explicitly said it could handle a WAN Connection, then I thought I should ask about it.

I haven't tried a wireless connection for Linux(Mandriva) in a few years. Mandriva hasn't played well with wireless in the past and I was uncertain how well Unbuntu played wireless

I've sripped down unneeded software (OpenOffice, Spell Checker and a lot of other programs and tools) and unneeded daemons, but the drivers are on the same state as on Ubuntu. - If you are something missing, you can reinstall the packages it with Synaptics or apt-get.


And again thanks for the response

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Message 970209 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 7:38:04 UTC - in response to Message 966115.  

Dotsch, any news on the Beta, is it available yet? I'm hoping to spend some time downstairs this weekend, and maybe can play with it a little if it's ready to go!

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Message 970255 - Posted: 13 Feb 2010, 13:26:27 UTC - in response to Message 970209.  

Dotsch, any news on the Beta, is it available yet? I'm hoping to spend some time downstairs this weekend, and maybe can play with it a little if it's ready to go!

In the moment, the beta tests still running. The bugs and problems are sorted out. Some small points are on my todo list. I am wait for the feedback of my beta testers, before we can release the public release.

In the moment everything has a release candiate state, and I think, you can use the current release for your diskless installations.
I will pm you the download link of the current release candidate.
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