It would be fair to say that Alonso was first, Massa second and Vettel third. There are some discussions about the overtaking of Massa, who was leading the race, by Alonso on a "suggestion" by his team. But Ferraris are back and next step is the Hungarian Grand Prix.
Tullio

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It looks like Ferrari got a 100000 $ fine for it. Hamilton got only a drive-through when he overtook the safety car. Fair play.

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It looks like Ferrari got a 100000 $ fine for it. Hamilton got only a drive-through when he overtook the safety car. Fair play.

Not bad, they just need to sell one car to pay that. Good to see the red in front again. I was starting to get worried.

I agree, $100,000 isn't a fine to Ferrari, it is just a fee.

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Hungarian grande prix qualifying times.


Driver
Team
Time
Gap

1 Vettel Red Bull 1:18.773 124.412 mph

2 Webber Red Bull 1:19.184 0.411

3 Alonso Ferrari 1:19.987 1.214

4 Massa Ferrari 1:20.331 1.558

5 Hamilton McLaren 1:20.499 1.726

6 Rosberg Mercedes 1:21.082 2.309

7 Petrov Renault 1:21.229 2.456

8 Kubica Renault 1:21.328 2.555

9 de la Rosa Sauber 1:21.411 2.638

10 Hulkenberg Williams 1:21.710 2.937

11 Button McLaren 1:21.292

12 Barrichello Williams 1:21.331

13 Sutil Force India 1:21.517

14 Schumacher Mercedes 1:21.630

15 Buemi Toro Rosso 1:21.897

16 Liuzzi Force India 1:21.927

17 Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1:21.998

18 Kobayashi Sauber 1:22.222

19 Glock Virgin 1:24.050

20 Kovalainen Lotus 1:24.120

21 Trulli Lotus 1:24.199

22 di Grassi Virgin 1:25.118

23 Senna HRT 1:26.391

24 Yamamoto HRT 1:26.453

Both cars of the three new teams completed the race for the first time. It was a good race. It was a race that people learned from. The race had things happen that people knew, but, still did errors. It was a good race that the driver who is at the number 1 position of the competition which is approaching a mid competition rest drove.

Schumacher is becoming dangerous. Ho should be convinced to stop and go home, like Lance Armstrong.
Tullio

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Crash at California 200 kills 8

Very sad. I have driven in these races. I even crashed into an RV someone had parked right beside the tract on the outside of a curve. I was not the only one. The spectators just don't think. As a driver, I was focused on the road and obsticals. I really did not see people. When you are driving full out you have a tunnel vision and are hyper focused on the track. Spectators need to be mindful of where they are placeing themselves. I have heard drivers call off road racing as a controlled crash. I agree, your car is only on the ground part of the time. Sorry people I do feel sorry but I don't blame the driver.

Crash at California 200 kills 8

Very sad. I have driven in these races. I even crashed into an RV someone had parked right beside the tract on the outside of a curve. I was not the only one. The spectators just don't think. As a driver, I was focused on the road and obsticals. I really did not see people. When you are driving full out you have a tunnel vision and are hyper focused on the track. Spectators need to be mindful of where they are placeing themselves. I have heard drivers call off road racing as a controlled crash. I agree, your car is only on the ground part of the time. Sorry people I do feel sorry but I don't blame the driver.

I don't blame the driver, however I do blame the race sponsor. Designed course. They know where spectators should not be. They allow them where they don't belong. Greed.

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Crash at California 200 kills 8

Very sad. I have driven in these races. I even crashed into an RV someone had parked right beside the tract on the outside of a curve. I was not the only one. The spectators just don't think. As a driver, I was focused on the road and obsticals. I really did not see people. When you are driving full out you have a tunnel vision and are hyper focused on the track. Spectators need to be mindful of where they are placeing themselves. I have heard drivers call off road racing as a controlled crash. I agree, your car is only on the ground part of the time. Sorry people I do feel sorry but I don't blame the driver.

I don't blame the driver, however I do blame the race sponsor. Designed course. They know where spectators should not be. They allow them where they don't belong. Greed.

I have to disagree with the greed idea too. These races are not on a closed circut with fence and gates. It's the open desert. The only money the promotor gets is from the fees charged of the racers, TV rights, if any, and sponsonors. Spectators are not charged. Even the course is not that well defined. The idea is to get from check point to check point. How you get there is pretty much up to the driver - navagator team. The last race I drove wss from Las Vegas to Reno. How in the world would you fence off over 800 miles of open desert land? Plus with the multiple routes, that number would be in the thousands. I can imagine the enviornmental community screaming about fenceing off the open desert. My favorite race was the Baja 1000. Fenceing that would be impossible. Parts of the course are in river and dry lake beds. The fence would have to be replaced just before every race. Micky Thompson tried to refine the sport and have races on closed courses, wtih bleachers and charge admission. He was accused of greed and killed for it. The solution is common sense. Don't watch from a place that the vechiles momentum could reach.

Belgian grande prix friday practice times.


1 Alonso Ferrari 0:00.000 143.700 mph

2 Sutil Force India 1:49.157 0.125

3 Hamilton McLaren 1:49.248 0.216

4 Kubica Renault 1:49.282 0.250

5 Massa Ferrari 1:49.588 0.556

6 Vettel Red Bull 1:49.689 0.657

7 Button McLaren 1:49.755 0.723

8 de la Rosa Sauber 1:50.081 1.049

9 Barrichello Williams 1:50.128 1.096

10 Kobayashi Sauber 1:50.200 1.168

11 Petrov Renault 1:50.251 1.219

12 Schumacher Mercedes 1:50.341 1.309

13 Rosberg Mercedes 1:50.382 1.350

14 Alguersuari Toro Rosso 1:50.682 1.650

15 Hulkenberg Williams 1:50.831 1.799

16 Liuzzi Force India 1:51.520 2.488

17 Buemi Toro Rosso 1:51.523 2.491

18 Webber Red Bull 1:51.636 2.604

19 Kovalainen Lotus 1:53.480 4.448

20 Trulli Lotus 1:53.639 4.607

21 di Grassi Virgin 1:54.325 5.293

22 Senna HRT 1:55.751 6.719

23 Yamamoto HRT 1:56.039 7.007

24 Glock Virgin 2:03.179 14.147

Thanks for the post I almost forgot that the summer break was over.

Belgian grande prix grid start positions.


01. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m46.106s 10 laps
02. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m46.223s +0.117 17 laps
03. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m46.396s +0.290 12 laps
04. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m46.397s +0.291 17 laps
05. Robert Kubica Renault 1m46.492s +0.386 17 laps
06. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m46.627s +0.521 11 laps
07. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m46.962s +0.856 10 laps
08. Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1m47.064s +0.958 15 laps
09. Nico Hülkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1m47.160s +1.054 16 laps
10. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m47.296s +1.190 17 laps
11. Pedro de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1m47.388s +1.282 15 laps
12. Vitaly Petrov Renault 1m47.406s +1.300 15 laps
13. R.Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1m47.512s +1.406 14 laps
14. M.Schumacher Mercedes 1m47.695s +1.589 16 laps
15. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m47.837s +1.731 9 laps
16. Sébastien Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m47.905s +1.799 20 laps
17. J.Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m47.981s +1.875 18 laps
18. Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1m48.692s +2.586 8 laps
19. Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1m50.600s +4.494 14 laps
20. Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 1m51.133s +5.027 9 laps
21. H.Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1m51.384s +5.278 14 laps
22. Lucas Di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1m51.517s +5.411 13 laps
23. Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1m51.669s +5.563 10 laps
24. Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1m52.001s +5.895 13 laps

You have to love the impact a little rain can have on speeding cars.

Belgian grande prix qualifying positions.


01 Mark Webber RBR-Renault 1:45.778
02 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:45.863
03 Robert Kubica Renault 1:46.100
04 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault 1:46.127
05 Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:46.206
06 Felipe Massa Ferrari 1:46.314
07 Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:46.602
08 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:46.659
09 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:47.053
10 Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1:47.441
11 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP 1:47.874
12 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP 1:47.885
13 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari 1:48.267
14 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:48.680
15 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari 1:49.209
16 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:50.980
17 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:52.049
18 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 2:01.491
19 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:02.284
20 Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth 2:03.612
21 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 2:03.941
22 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari 2:05.294
23 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 2:18.754
24 Vitaly Petrov Renault No time

Belgian Grande prix race results.


01 Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1hr29.04.268
02 Mark Webber RBR-Renault +1.5 secs
03 Robert Kubica Renault +3.4 secs
04 Felipe Massa Ferrari +8.2 secs
05 Adrian Sutil Force India-Mercedes +9.0 secs
06 Nico Rosberg Mercedes GP +12.3 secs
07 Michael Schumacher Mercedes GP +15.5 secs
08 Kamui Kobayashi BMW Sauber-Ferrari +16.6 secs
09 Vitaly Petrov Renault +23.8 secs
10 Jaime Alguersuari STR-Ferrari +29.4 secs
11 Vitantonio Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes +34.8 secs
12 Pedro de la Rosa BMW Sauber-Ferrari +36.0 secs
13 Sebastien Buemi STR-Ferrari +39.8 secs
14 Nico Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth +1 Lap
15 Sebastian Vettel RBR-Renault +1 Lap
16 Heikki Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth +1 Lap
17 Lucas di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth +1 Lap
18 Timo Glock Virgin-Cosworth +1 Lap
19 Jarno Trulli Lotus-Cosworth +1 Lap
20 Sakon Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth +2 Lap
Ret Fernando Alonso Ferrari +7 Lap
Ret Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes +29 Laps
Ret Bruno Senna HRT-Cosworth +39 Laps
Ret Rubens Barrichello Williams-Cosworth + 43 laps

You have to love the impact a little rain can have on speeding cars.

You sure do. I'm still scratching my head over the drive through penalty given to Vettel after his accident that resulted in the exit of Button, and I say that as a long standing supporter of McLaren. From what I could see Vettel did not appear to do anything out of the ordinary given track conditions, perhaps he could have been a little more careful, though if all drivers did that, racing would be a lot less interesting. I hope Rubens is not penalized for his first lap accident, he has already apologized to Alonso, and, to my eyes, it looked like a typical racing incident (unlike Michael's move on Rubens at Hungary).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Next season India will be one of 20 rounds...

Monza Italian grande prix qualifying times.


Time
01. Alonso Ferrari 1:21.962
02. Button McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.084
03. Massa Ferrari 1:22.293
04. Webber Red Bull-Renault 1:22.433
05. Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.623
06. Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1:22.675
07. Rosberg Mercedes 1:23.027
08. Hulkenberg Williams-Cosworth 1:23.037
09. Kubica Renault 1:23.039
10. Barrichello Williams-Cosworth 1:23.328
11. Sutil Force India-Mercedes 1:23.199
12. Schumacher Mercedes 1:23.388
13. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.659
14. Buemi Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.681
15. Petrov Renault 1:23.819
16. Alguersuari Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.919
17. de la Rosa Sauber-Ferrari 1:24.044
18. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.540
19. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.742
20. Liuzzi Force India-Mercedes 1:25.774
21. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:25.934
22. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:25.974
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:26.847
24. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:27.020