Sits quite fine with me.......
If we cannot bear arms and protect ourselves, the government certainly is not gonna do it for us.

Too many are too willing to sit by and let s**t happen......hoping that it won't happen to them.

Wake up.......

The news is littered with stories about thugs that have escaped our legal system.....only to go back to their ways and harm innocents again.

They should have been taken out of the gene pool with a .45 the first time.

Mark
You seem to be one of those people "hoping that it won't happen to them."

In your quest to promote some sort of "wild west" law enforcement model, you may become a victim rather than one of those saved by it.

You've stated that in the past you've carried a handgun in your left boot for years (unlawfully I'm sure) and that you are looking for another.
You've stated that you'll seek another weapon legally but you have so many other sources.
You endure wild mood swings (forcing the rest of us to endure them along with you) that you say result from your manic depressiveness.
You also binge drink to the point of delirium.

Add the fact that you openly express the desire to start shooting at illegals and I think you may find there are others who might want to remove you from the gene pool before you can act on these fantasies.

I am reactive, not proactive.

So, I'm not about to look for any targets.

I would not recommend that you be the one to break into my home whilst I am here, however. Would be very bad karma for you.
Some 20 years ago, I put about 100 rounds into a defunct water heater tank in my basement.......nice grouping too, I might add. Browning stainless semiauto......nice piece.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

Sits quite fine with me.......
If we cannot bear arms and protect ourselves, the government certainly is not gonna do it for us.

Too many are too willing to sit by and let s**t happen......hoping that it won't happen to them.

Wake up.......

The news is littered with stories about thugs that have escaped our legal system.....only to go back to their ways and harm innocents again.

They should have been taken out of the gene pool with a .45 the first time.

Mark
You seem to be one of those people "hoping that it won't happen to them."

In your quest to promote some sort of "wild west" law enforcement model, you may become a victim rather than one of those saved by it.

You've stated that in the past you've carried a handgun in your left boot for years (unlawfully I'm sure) and that you are looking for another.
You've stated that you'll seek another weapon legally but you have so many other sources.
You endure wild mood swings (forcing the rest of us to endure them along with you) that you say result from your manic depressiveness.
You also binge drink to the point of delirium.

Add the fact that you openly express the desire to start shooting at illegals and I think you may find there are others who might want to remove you from the gene pool before you can act on these fantasies.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sounds a lot like citizens arrest just might be a good thing.

I know that won't sit well.

Sits quite fine with me.......
If we cannot bear arms and protect ourselves, the government certainly is not gonna do it for us.

Too many are too willing to sit by and let s**t happen......hoping that it won't happen to them.

Wake up.......

The news is littered with stories about thugs that have escaped our legal system.....only to go back to their ways and harm innocents again.

They should have been taken out of the gene pool with a .45 the first time.

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"Learn from yesterday. Live for today. Hope for tomorrow." Albert Einstein
"With cats." kittyman

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=53559&nowrap=true#960034

The God That Fails
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: December 31, 2009
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At some point, it’s worth pointing out that it wasn’t the centralized system that stopped terrorism in this instance. As with the shoe bomber, as with the plane that went down in Shanksville, Pa., it was decentralized citizen action. The plot was foiled by nonexpert civilians who had the advantage of the concrete information right in front of them — and the spirit to take the initiative.

For better or worse, over the past 50 years we have concentrated authority in centralized agencies and reduced the role of decentralized citizen action. We’ve done this in many spheres of life. Maybe that’s wise, maybe it’s not. But we shouldn’t imagine that these centralized institutions are going to work perfectly or even well most of the time.

Sounds a lot like citizens arrest just might be a good thing.

I know that won't sit well.

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Never mind Blurf.
I went back and discovered one of the links was two pages. I only saw the first until now.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

He also may have not been in the intoxicated, high state that the coroner said he was in the night of the attack which could've made him more aggressive.

This is new information that isn't contained in any of the links that I've seen.
Could you please post where this came from?

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Although once we were babysitting and we ordered Cervini off the property as he and another couple of older kids had come on and were harrassing Suz's nephews.

He left without challenging you when ordered off the property yet ran TOWARD a man with a gun in his hand yelling "I'm going to get you!"

Life is funny eh?

Well my wife was there and her 2 young nephews.

He also may have not been in the intoxicated, high state that the coroner said he was in the night of the attack which could've made him more aggressive.

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Although once we were babysitting and we ordered Cervini off the property as he and another couple of older kids had come on and were harrassing Suz's nephews.

He left without challenging you when ordered off the property yet ran TOWARD a man with a gun in his hand yelling "I'm going to get you!"

Life is funny eh?

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Nah Suz's kids are well-behaved and avoid the bad kids.

Although once we were babysitting and we ordered Cervini off the property as he and another couple of older kids had come on and were harrassing Suz's nephews.

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We were in the neighborhood for dinner at Suz's sister's house tonight and I went down to his home (3 doors down) as he was out shoveling his walk. I told him congratulations.

Lots of bad juju there! I'd advise Suz's sister to move out of that neighborhood!

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Unfortunately, the article seems to have expired or been dumped by the source linked to way back at the start.
Fortunately, Rhe quoted from the article and the last line in the quote says where the kids were.

Just thought I'd toss this in before it disappears completely down the memory hole.

Robert, you might check the wayback machine to see if it was archived.

I suspect one source is AP and the other is the hometown newspaper. Two reporters and two versions. That's the big lesson.

So anyone have a link to the trial transcript so we know what people said under oath? (I know it isn't online. A good reason why we can't second guess the jury.)

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In the first article Scott is said to have stated that "at least one of the kids charged at him". In this updated article this is said: "Scott lost sight of the two other people and then the third person, later identified as Cervini, "advanced toward him." Parrinello could not describe the type of advance." Scott also says the kid was shot twice because he "kept advancing" after being shot the first time. Just thought these were...umm...interesting details to point out.

Scott took his .40 cal outside with him to confront these kids and "contain the situation" himself while his wife called 911. Instead of waiting for police to handle the situation he intentionally put himself (and others) in danger by doing this.

I'm not saying Scott's initial actions were either right or wrong here (citizen trying to prevent a possible crime from continuing vs. waiting for the police which would give the kids time to take the vehicle and leave, if that was even their intention to begin with). However, IMHO he should have left the policing to the police. After all, it's not like these kids were attempting to rape/murder someone outside of Scott's house and Scott was trying to save the victim--they were merely "in his neighbors' driveway near the neighbors' car..."

Unfortunately, the article seems to have expired or been dumped by the source linked to way back at the start.
Fortunately, Rhe quoted from the article and the last line in the quote says where the kids were.

Just thought I'd toss this in before it disappears completely down the memory hole.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

That's easy since the source was posted in a different thread here and still online:
http://www.mpnnow.com/news/x631609676/Defense-calls-for-dismissal-of-Greece-manslaughter-case

Many thanks Gary!

This guy shot a kid down in the street in a situation that did not involve his own property or any danger to his family.

Apparently in your rush to judgment you missed it was his car in his driveway.

Gary:

From Buffalo WBEN news site:

Scott observed Cervini and two other teens breaking into cars on his street in Greece.

From Rochester WHEC news site:

The shooting happened early Saturday morning. Police say Scott confronted Cervini and two other teenagers after he saw them breaking into a neighbor's truck. Police say they were doing that throughout the neighborhood.

From the Examiner news site:

He says he confronted three teens in a neighbor's driveway, ordered them to freeze and fired twice in self-defense when 17-year-old Christopher Cervini ran at him in a threatening manner.

I looked at 4 different reports on 4 different news sites and none state that it was his vehicle! It's not Robert's fault that the reporters didn't state that it was his vehicle?

Maybe this should have been reported by the CBC or BBC.

Actually, if you have a link to a news report that does state it was, I would be most grateful if you post it.

That's easy since the source was posted in a different thread here and still online:
http://www.mpnnow.com/news/x631609676/Defense-calls-for-dismissal-of-Greece-manslaughter-case

Scott and his significant other, Tracy Allen, claim in court papers they heard a voice in the driveway of their home at 58 Baneberry Way between 3 and 3:30 a.m.
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When Scott approached the three teens, one teen was standing at the end of the driveway and Cervini and another teen were standing closer to the front of the house, between two cars.

Its possible that some reporter got it wrong.

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I remember the original story and it was a neighbor's property he so eagerly grabbed his gun to go out and protect.

I suppose in your rush to justify street justice and the Ted Nugent version of America, you may have missed some details yourself.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

This guy shot a kid down in the street in a situation that did not involve his own property or any danger to his family.

Apparently in your rush to judgment you missed it was his car in his driveway.

Gary:

From Buffalo WBEN news site:

Scott observed Cervini and two other teens breaking into cars on his street in Greece.

From Rochester WHEC news site:

The shooting happened early Saturday morning. Police say Scott confronted Cervini and two other teenagers after he saw them breaking into a neighbor's truck. Police say they were doing that throughout the neighborhood.

From the Examiner news site:

He says he confronted three teens in a neighbor's driveway, ordered them to freeze and fired twice in self-defense when 17-year-old Christopher Cervini ran at him in a threatening manner.

I looked at 4 different reports on 4 different news sites and none state that it was his vehicle! It's not Robert's fault that the reporters didn't state that it was his vehicle?

Maybe this should have been reported by the CBC or BBC. :-)

Actually, if you have a link to a complete news report that does state the proper facts, I would be most grateful if you post it.

This guy shot a kid down in the street in a situation that did not involve his own property or any danger to his family.

Apparently in your rush to judgment you missed it was his car in his driveway.

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In Canada you don't have the Right to protect family and property?

Yes, you have the right to protect your family and property in Canada.

If you are going to escalate a case of petty thievery to the extent that deadly force is used as the solution, I like to think that the shooter would do some serious time in prison.

This guy shot a kid down in the street in a situation that did not involve his own property or any danger to his family. I'm sure the guy with a dead kid in his front yard would probably agree to swap the CD's and loose change being rummaged through if it would reverse the series of events.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

I agree I would not even come out of the house if someone is messing with my car and for that the guy that killed the other guy I feel is wrong.
But as for the experts here that are so convinced it wasn't in the back or was...What a JOKE, no one will ever know as I am sure there is not a one of you here that was there or saw the body and the experts that did aren't sure...

"There's no question that Greece teenager Christopher D. Cervini was killed by a gunshot that entered the extreme right side of his back next to his armpit and traveled though his chest until it exited near his left collar bone, a forensic pathologist testified Monday.




The bullet passed through Cervini's right lung and trachea before it severed an artery that branches off from the aorta, causing Cervini to lose more than a liter of blood internally and succumb within minutes, said Dr. Scott LaPoint, deputy medical examiner of Monroe County.

But questions LaPoint couldn't answer are expected to become the key issues for state Supreme Court jurors to consider in the trial of Roderick A. Scott, who is charged with first-degree manslaughter in Cervini's death April 4.

Although LaPoint testified that the 17-year-old Cervini was also hit by a "largely inconsequential," nonfatal bullet that passed through his left hand, chest and left arm, he couldn't say which of the two bullets was fired first.

Nor could LaPoint say with certainty whether Cervini was shot while he was standing still or running at Scott, or how close Cervini was to Scott when Scott fired.

With no way to answer those questions, lawyers for the prosecution and defense are expected to argue that the evidence favors their points of view.

As LaPoint narrated photos showing how one bullet caused six entrance and exit wounds in Cervini's left hand, chest and arm, Assistant District Attorney Julie Finocchio speculated whether Cervini could have been hit first by the fatal shot next to his armpit while standing still and reacted by spinning with his left hand up toward the exit wound in his left chest, just in time to get hit by the nonfatal shot.

"It was a possibility," LaPoint said.

But defense lawyer John R. Parrinello asked if it's just as likely that Cervini was hit first by the nonfatal shot while running at Scott. Parrinello has argued that the bullet's impact spun Cervini to his left before the fatal shot hit him next to the right armpit.

LaPoint replied that he had no way to know which shot was fired first or how it was inflicted."

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And no good credit hound!

Hi Blurf, I missed this story on TV. We didn't get a lot of Buffalo news in Thunder Bay (we do here in Burlington).

The news article said:

"The prosecution had said that whether Cervini may have been running at Scott still was not just cause for use of deadly force and that medical testimony had shown Cervini was shot in the back. Was the medical testimony proven false?"

Also from another article http://www.examiner.com/a-2380194~NY_man_acquitted_of_manslaughter_in_teen_shooting.html:

"The 42-year-old Scott, who has a legal permit for his .40-caliber pistol, said he didn't intend to kill Cervini."

I'm not taking any sides here but it's hard NOT to kill someone who is shot with a .40-caliber twice. A .22 or .25 maybe - a .40 is a very deadly caliber. I own a .45 and would never use it for home defense. In Canada the laws are quite different about the use of deadly force - you're expected to run for your life out the back door than to get the 'ol 1911A out of the gun vault, if someone breaks into your house...

Take care

In Canada you don't have the Right to protect family and property? My dad was robbed at gunpoint and a few months later he died. I wish I had been there and could have executed my right on them.

Well, if you own a handgun in Ontario, it must be locked up in safe-storage with a trigger lock and no bullets in it.

If a thief breaks into your house, it's unlikely you have the time to get to it, unlock it and load it, hence you try to call the police and get out of the house ASAP. If I owned a car and a guy was stealing it, I'd let the insurance worry about it - I'm not going to shoot someone over a car. I would call the Police.

In Canada, you can defend yourself in your home, but you better make sure that if you use deadly force you have the money to hire a good lawyer unless you have a credible witness to corroborate your story.

I have a friend in Akron, NY who sleeps with a loaded .45 in the night table by the bed. Do this in Canada and you're in more trouble than the thief...